joe frazier: underated or overated?

Sure they were. Maybe A- or B-class journeymen. But journeymen.

 

A first-class journeyman.

 

Any experienced, competent but routine fighter.

 

Overrated.

 

C'mon, don't make me laugh.

 

Protest, about you're saying that wlad dont win Frasier..this guy is smaller than CHRIS BYRD about 5'11, 205,5 lb...wlad will kill him, with his jab..frasier never get close enought.

 

Yeh, he probably would brewster him.

 

Frazier is impossible to under rate as a fighter. He put forth great effort! However when the conversation shifts to all time great heavyweights, Frazier is not a top ten guy in my opinion. Frazier wins over Ali counts for a lot. Yes, but Cooper, and Jones nearly beat Ali pre Frazier. Young, and Shavers nearly or did beat Ali depending on your scoring preference. And of course Norton, Holmes, Spinks, and Berbick did beat Ali.

Frazier resume outside of the Ali and Foreman fights where he was 1-4 overall is somewhat thin for a top ten all time great. If Frazier had fought or beat Lyle, Liston, Norton, Shavers, R. Williams, Martin, M. Foster, we could say he could defeat a puncher who was his size or greater. Instead Frazier management preferred to match him vs non punchers or smaller boxer types who simply could not get Smokin’ Joe’s respect.

 

Frazier was not smaller than Chris Byrd. Note that Byrd was 168 pounds when he was 23-24 years old- Frazier was already over 200 by that age. Byrd puffed himself up to fight at heavyweight.

Either way, though, your argument is paper thin. Lennox Lewis was smaller than Primo Carnera, so by your logic, I suppose Max Baer would batter him around the ring like a ragdoll, too.

Frazier was not a cautious, light-hitting defensive fighter who was uncomfortable being aggressive like Byrd, nor did he march forward blocking punches with his face like Lamon Brewster. Frazier was hyper-aggressive, he was fast, he came in low and had good head movement, he had an extremely high workrate, a murderous body attack and devastating knockout power in his left. Frazier would be all over Klitschko, and he would batter him to the body and break him down with non-stop pressure. Klitschko would be sagging around the ring by the middle rounds, at which time I expect Frazier would close the show.

 

Maybe i'm wrong but i wanna see that day, when wlad will lost, much smaller opponent, like Byrd or Frasier size fighter. Lamon is by the way, much heavier fighter with very good chin (Frasier chin is not that good)and good punch.

Seem's like almost everyone thinks that you can break wlad by punch to the body. It's much easier to say than do it. You must take hard punishment to do that and there is no many guys in history, who can do it, or maybe not anyone. klitchko with Stewart is strategy is almost unbeaten.

 

Then why ask?? We are not here to make fools of people...





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