joe frazier: underated or overated?

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  1. Vantage_West

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  2. Sakura

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    Ali is definetly more agile, but his punches is so much weaker than those big guy's and Frasier never afraid those punches.

    I hope there is someday Wlad vs Tua,that i can prove how difficult is to go inside, skilled bigger fighter. Tua's left hook is also very good and height is same than Joe's
     
  3. janitor

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    It is one thing to keep Tua on the outside but quite another to keep a polished infighter like Frazier on the outside.
     
  4. Vantage_West

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    tua likes to be in the mid range so his left hook sis precise but if your on the inside of him his left hook and righthand are weakend bec uase they dont have the "throw" like he did against moorer or ruiz.

    frazier would piledrive through you thtas the difference he never got tangled up if they did he would just fight his way out
     
  5. Sakura

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    Surely, but Frasier was never real moving miracle like ali was and i think wlad move quite well novadays. Of course i dont directly compare Frasier and Tua!
     
  6. janitor

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    You do have to ask what Frazier could have done if he had two working eyes and a healthy body.

    He did enough as it is.
     
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  10. yancey

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    Definitely underrated.

    He makes the Top 5 for me. In fact, if I'm feeling better later tonight, I might move Joe to #1.
     
  11. Duodenum

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    I generally have Louis at number four, and Frazier at number five, but I sometimes reverse that order.
     
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    The difference is Tua proved against Lewis ,that he wasnt prepared to pay the price Ali exacted from Frazier to get inside
     
  14. JohnThomas1

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    Fair call. Lewis hits far harder than Ali, but by the same token Tua has a vaunted chin. Frazier came prepared to practically die if he had to in order to win.
     
  15. ChrisPontius

    ChrisPontius March 8th, 1971 Full Member

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    No he wouldn't. Wlad's arms coupled with the way he fights (tall, long punches) and Frazier (short stature, short punches, hooks) results in Wlad's range being only twice that of Frazier. Watch Wlad's fight with Brewster, he hit him all the time while barely being hit in return. Now Brewster is no Frazier of course, but you get the point.

    I don't think so, he'll potshot Frazier from the outside while staying away and tieing him up on the inside to prevent Frazier from getting off.

    Louis at #4? That's low, who do you have higher than him? If i had to guess from your posts, i'd say Holmes, Ali and Dempsey.