Joe Frazier vs Alexander Povetkin

Problem is Povetkin has one of the weakest resumes of any heavyweight who is rated as highly as he is.

Povetkin does not have one win even 20% as good as a win over a 29 year old Ali.

Povetkin struggled with Marco Huck of all people.

Frazier's win over Ali and even Bugner and Bonavena are better than anything on Povetkin's resume.

 

I think that you are seriously underestimating Huck.

 

I am not. He lost to Cunningham earlier on. He had a lot of wins in a mediocre division. He was a pretty good fighter but his resume pales in comparison to somelike Quarry. Quarry has wins over Ron Lyle and Earnie Shavers, two mega punching heavyweights. Huck has no such thing.

Bugner is a better heavyweight than Huck. So is Quarry. And Bonavena. And while Quarry was small, Bonavena and Bugner were just as big if not bigger than Huck. So this idea that Frazier feasted on light -heavies when Bonavena, Ali and Bugner were between 6'2-6'4 and weighed between 210-220 lbs makes no sense.

 

Meldonium saved Povetkin from being a 6 round fighter, he would struggle with Fraizers pace, he looked really tired against Huck late rounds. Povetkin is better than Bonavena and poses a danger with his short power punches, but many had Takam ahead against Povetkin until the stoppage.

I've also never seen Povetkin cope against a decent pressure fighter. The chambers fight was also closer than people remember. There are more questions about Povetkin than Frazier here. The KO potential goes both ways, but I'm sure Pov would get broken down to the body

 

I think that you are seriously underestimating Cunningham too.

Lynn Ball and Bob Stallings also have wins over Lyle and Shavers.

So basically, Frazier's best win is equivalent to one of Povetkin's less auspicious outings.

Yeah so Frazier fought 5-6 guys who were 200lb odd or over. That was every single fight Povetkin had.

Moreover none of those guys packed a punch like Povetkin.

 

Huck was one of Povetkin's worst outings and he still got the W.

Perez, Takam, Huck, Chagaev are all more than 'decent' pressure fighters and Povetkin got the win every time.

I think Frazier gets knocked out and faster than people would believe.

 

You can't downplay Quarry's wins over Shavers and Lyle. Those guys were extraordinarily dangerous. Just because they had losses to other guys does not mean they weren't big dangerous heavyweights.

Frazier's best win is over a 29 year old Ali which is at least 5 times better than any of Povetkin's wins.

 

Based on what, Frazier has the better record

MD, Huck made him look that way, Povetkin was in his prime. I excluded him because Povetkin didn't win convincingly

Was blowing out his ass against Marco. Takam isn't a pressure fighter, but they were fighting on equal footing at close range until the 10th, Takam is also a gatekeeper, he's beaten no one. Perez lol

 

Based on this slower, less skilful fighter turning Frazier into a potato with his uppercut

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Guess who has a faster, more accurate such punch?

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And Frazier could barely handle Cummings.

Compared to the array of midgets Frazier was used to feasting on, these guys look like superman. If Takam was around back in the day they'd be calling him 'Terrible Takam' and waxing lyrical about all the cattle he'd lifted.

 

Pointless bringing up his last fight at 37 before he retired.

Same "less skillful" fighter who somehow dismantled more skilled boxers and came back in the 1990s to win a world title at 45. Also has a better resume than Povetkin. Foreman controlled Joe with frames and pushed Frazier out of position to stop his momentum, Povetkin would be a sitting duck outside of his offense. Timing can beat speed. Povetkin is overrated, Foreman puts him in a blender, Foreman hit harder too.

Whyte was stopped by an uppercut against Fury who isn't a big puncher, and aj. Whyte has a glass chin

Eddie Chambers is a 6 foot 219lb he's literally a 70s sized heavyweight and won 5 rounds off Povetkin lol. Huck wouldn't be anything special in the 70s in terms of size and Povetkin couldn't convincingly beat him, gassed due to the pressure and activity. Povetkin also needed Meldonium to increase his stamina

If my granny had wheels she'd be a bike. Takam did nothing

 

Foreman is quite possibly the hardest two handed puncher in boxing history. He hits harder than Povetkin. Povetkin landing one great uppercut on Whyte (who has been stopped multiple times by uppercuts) isn't evidence he can stop Frazier.

And Frazier was shot vs Cummings. Different fighters age differently.

 

People are bringing up the Joshua fight when Povetkin was 39

Old Man Foreman fought significantly differently to the version under discussion.

1) He's bigger than some versions of Foreman. He is much bigger than your average 70s heavy
2) Chambers was an undefeated high level fighter at the time. 30-0.
3) Here is the fight in question

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The early rounds are close, but by the end of the fight Povetkin is going like a train. Thanks for underscoring the points I made earlier about the pace Povetkin could keep up.

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Bigger, stronger, busier, better chin, better punch selection.

 

Not me. Both useless examples.

Beyond fighting at an altered pace, no, not really, you just have a bias towards high definition. Foreman was old, fat, even slower and had tree feet. Foreman also lost the ability to cut the ring. Foreman was an Olympic gold medalist and still controlled Frazier movement with frames and shoving before timing his head movement so it's a asnine example either way Povetkin would be a sitting duck like he was against Huck. Huck also got stopped by more opponents than Joe

No he's not. He would not be big in the 70s. Eddie Chambers is fatter, shorter, nowhere near as strong and still the same weight. Chambers is also feather fisted. Yeah I saw contender Chambers win at least 4 if not 5 before he let his foot off the gas

What pace ? Chambers barely threw anything in the second half and Povetkin was still huffing and puffing

He's a gatekeeper, less skilled than Buster Mathis who weight about 240+ and lost to someone he had a 20 pounds advantage over, just showing you more proof size is overrated

 

See this is how I see it as well- I do not see anything Pov did that sets him apart and he has no wins that would point to him being rated as highly as he is.