Joe Frazier vs Alexander Povetkin

Can't lose something you never had

 

Eddie Chambers definitely didn't win as much as 5 rounds. He started off well but then Povetkin sweeped the rounds as he was way busier.

 

Cool.

No, really. Foreman was slower, but also lower output. He'd done a lot of weight lifting and was significantly stronger. He was looking to control the bout with his much improved jab and to pick his spots to unload, instead of pressing the action. He was more relaxed and his chin and stamina were both better.

Frazier would be the sitting duck for the larger, more powerful man with the better punch selection and better chin.

Foreman: 218 lbs
Chambers: 220lb

https://boxrec.com/wiki/index.php/Joe_Frazier_vs._George_Foreman_(1st_meeting)
https://boxrec.com/wiki/index.php/Alexander_Povetkin_vs._Eddie_Chambers

I assume that I don't have to explain to you how math works?

Povetkin unloaded a ton of punches on him. Huffing and puffing means squat.

Buster Mathis had a record with more soft fights than a pillow party in a chick's dorm. Takam would have bounced his pudding ass out of the ring.

 

Bonavena was 5'10 and like 205 at best

 

Lower output = Better lmfao huh ? He lifted weights for physical therapy, he literally said himself his body didn't want to listen to him in training, he was an old man and needed anything to mimic a chunk of his original vigor. Foreman always had a power jab and it was faster in his prime, Angelo Dundee claimed that Foreman had a jab he had never seen since Sonny Liston. Foreman had cement foot, couldn't move laterally to cut the ring, and had lost the ability to box on his toes. He bulldozed through most of the top guys in his prime yet was in his comeback got schooled by someone like Tommy Morrison and had razor close fights against low tier heavyweights like Steward and Schulz lololol. Schulz was actually about the size of a 70s heavyweight ironically but Foreman being fatter made him better lol. Better my ass. Foreman post retirement is obviously worse and just made a few changes like the cross guard under Archie Moore and picking his shots to have a lower pace and partially compensate, he himself said his decaying body forced him to like an old man and fight more sensibly, and he still lost to Tommy Morrison lol. Foreman was just actually more hittable in his comeback. His defense being better might be an illusion. Foreman was an Olympic gold medalist, Next

Huck got knocked out by more guys than Frazier, he got stopped by pillowfisted Cunningham, yet still managed to never got dropped by Povetkin, nowhere near as good at close range, has LESS defense than Frazier standing straight up, made Povetkin gas due to the pace and landed almost 40% of his shots. Huck was like 209 pounds, so why didn't Povetkin run through him ? Because size is overrated. Povetkin needed banned substances like Meldonium to raise his stamina, he was a 6 round fighter before.

Yes Foreman cut down a lot because he didn't need the extra weight to dominate, which goes against your point, any of the few bigger guys couldn't beat Foreman. George had a larger frame, Chambers extra 15 pounds of dead weight and he was never a big puncher. Chambers is fatter, shorter, wasnt a puncher, nobody would mention anything about his size. Nobody called Scott De Leux a big heavyweight and he was bigger than Chambers
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Foreman also looked even more skilled against De Loux than he did in his comeback, this idea foreman was a low skilled slugger is nonesense

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And had barely any coming back at him. It's much easier to stay composed when you aren't being forced to raise your pace, don't have to worry about power and your opponent is throwing 10 punches. Fraizer threw over 600 power punches against Ali. Povetkin landed 14% of his against Chambers, Chambers landed about 35%

Funny you ignore Takam lost to a journeyman who weighed 20 pounds less but Muh big heavyweights. His best win is also a shot Tony Thompson. Mathis does everything better. Better footwork, faster hands, underrated counter puncher and stepped back to counterpunch, he was legit more athletic and more skilled. Takam did not have that speed or footwork and arguably isn't even as good up close as shown against Frazier and Quarry. He's a big slow lump and Haye delt with his conquerer at a huge weight disadvantage

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Mathis would beat the **** out of Takam Funny Mathis was pretty big at 6'3, 240lb, had solid fundamentals all around, impressive speed for a heavyweight even in todays age, stamina, punch selection, could counter punch well, fight at all ranges and yet still couldn't dominate the 70s.

 

Povetkin threw more punches against Chambers over 12 rounds than Frazier (or Ali) did in the FOTC.

https://boxrec.com/wiki/index.php/Alexander_Povetkin_vs._Eddie_Chambers

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Half of those punches were jabs. 95% of fraziers shots were power punches, he threw more of them and Chambers didn't have a high pace either, yet still landed almost as much with double the connect percentage. Povetkin had little steam on his shots by the end

 

According to the same sources you're replying to, Povetkin threw 513 power punches over 12. Frazier threw 578 over 15. On average, Povetkin was throwing more power punches per round than Frazier.

Povetkin also threw more power punches over 12 than Ali over 15.

 

Povetkin is becoming the most heavyweight fighter on the forum for resume/renown ratio. Talneted but couldn't even win a belt and he fought in 2 eras. The wilder fight was canceled because Povetkin tested positive for Meldonium

 

And had little coming back, thats why Povetkin had no resistance upping the pace. Chambers barely did anything in the second half. Chambers didn't have power, wasn't pressing Povetkin on the inside or working the body to try and take the stamina away. Fraizers head movement would probably throw him off too, Povetkin was usually a timer with his power shots

 

Oh I know its hilarious that a boxer on all kind of banned substances- and he got caught multiple times doing it - cannot even finish off a boxer like Huck and supposedly punches HARDER then a Foreman?
And when given his big opportunity against Wlad what did he do? Absolutely NOTHING but supposedly he's this insane puncher lol.
There is a reason why Frazier is a legend of the sport and not Pov its really that simple.

 

They act like freaking Chambers was an Ali when he wasn't close to that.

 

https://boxrec.com/wiki/index.php/Alexander_Povetkin_vs._Marco_Huck

Notice how Povetkins workrate is almost cut in half against Huck in comparison. About 35% of his shots were also jabs. There was way less clinching compared to Ali Frazier as well, which is why Frazier threw that amount. He threw about 625 power punches in the 3rd fight when Ali threw about 700 in total. Povetkin doesn't work like that when his opponent is throwing a similar amount of shots, let alone power shots

 

Take Corrie Sanders for example. He has showed impressive power and speed on the big stage for how ever brief it was compared to Pov so I could see someone saying he could knock out Frazier.
But Pov? I never really saw anything impressive.

 

Ali / Frazier 1 didn't have much clinching.

A lot of the tactical analysis you're giving of how styles play off each other is beside the point. Povetkin obviously doesn't have bad stamina when he's throwing punches at that rate. As we would expect from a guy on PEDs. This isn't surprise, or shouldn't be.

If you want to take Povetkin's fight against Chagaev, who was a solid, tough fighter, southpaw, former Olympian, former beltholder, etc., and somewhat similar to Povetkin himself, Povetkin's still throwing more punches per round than Frazier. Not all power punches, but Povetkin doesn't need to throw all power punches to show that he has good stamina.