Joe Frazier vs Alexander Povetkin

His best wins are an old Chris Byrd, Chambers and Chagaev. Even ignoring resume and explaining how this fight tactically plays out they claim Frazier is too small when 209lb Huck arguably beat him and Marco threw what ? 450 shots ? less than half of them being power punches it's hilarious stuff.

Apparently Povetkin "would easily handle Fraziers pace and destroy the little cruiserweight" but they can't explain this
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Isn't Ali clinching Frazier so many times a big criticism of the first fight ? He did clinch quite alot and is compared to Klinchko, he did it well over 100 times in the rematch

You're right, Povetkin has good stamina, the evidence is clear but he wouldn't be throwing nearly as much against Frazier for the reasons mentioned and he always looks winded when he's forced to fight at a high pace, Chambers didn't do that, but i underestimated Povetkin's gas tank I'll admit to that

 

You're thinking Ali/Frazier 2. That one had all the clinching.

I agree that Povetkin wouldn't be throwing as many punches against Frazier as he did against Chambers. I don't know that Frazier's going to be throwing as many as he did when he chased Ali down, either. My guess is that both of them throw at the rate of the Chagaev / Povetkin or Huck / Povetkin fights, give or take. Which is still pretty high.

Wish we had the Quarry / Frazier 1 Compubox stats. I think Saintpat mentioned once that Quarry was a closer analogy to Povetkin than some of the other guys offered up from the 60s/70s. Albeit smaller and less filled with banned substances.

 

Punches landed count more than punches thrown.

Povetkin landed a hilariously bad connect rate of 14% of jabs on Chambers. 416 thrown. 57 landed. Never seen such a low connect %

His total punch to connect rate on Chambers was 929/201. 728 punches missed on a flat footer stood right in front of him.

What was Frazier known for ? the greatest upper body defence in the division vs a guy who could barely hit a fat Eddie Chambers

 

As to Povetkin's power, I doubt he hit as hard as Foreman, but he hit hard enough to KO the occasional contender, and blast out fringe / old guys. That's usually puncher territory. Probably hit harder than Quarry or Bonavena, which makes Povetkin in this hypothetical fight the second hardest punching elite heavyweight that Frazier ever faced.

 

This is why Fraziers eradic head movement and aggression would throw Povetkin off, Pov would be forced to counterpunch and Frazier is better on the inside, he would break him down late or win a clear decision. It was Hucks pressure that got to Povetkin, and the silent agreement seems to be Frazier can't hurt Povetkin for some reason, Povetkin has power but could he keep Frazier down ? Bonavena couldn't and Frazier was green

 

Loads at the time thought Huck won. Had it been Joe in there that night , Pov leaves the ring on a gurney

 

Frazier could hurt Povetkin, but Povetkin proved himself pretty durable when he got hit by a bigger, harder hitting division, on average. If Frazier KO'd Povetkin, it's more likely through attrition.

Scoring and refs might also be more important in this match than usual. Frazier was hard to keep down, but a 10-8 scoring system or a ref who stops fights earlier would favor Povetkin.

 

Thats assuming he knocks Frazier all over the ring. I don't see it, Povetkin might floor him once or twice. Foreman loss always gets brought up but Povetkin couldn't fight off the back foot either, why wouldn't Foreman stop him early ? Fraziers defense and grit is being undersold here as well as the body work, Povetkin would slow down the stretch but I would just assume he'd still be in the fight at the end. Povetkin looked terrible against Huck and Huck got stopped by Cunningham and Glowacki.

 

Flooring Frazier twice in a 10-8 system would require Frazier to win four rounds just to break even. Flooring him twice in close succession in a single round could be enough for a ref stoppage in the modern world. So even on your own assumptions, where Povetkin doesn't devastate Frazier like @BCS8 is predicting, the scoring and ref might matter.

 

We have several examples where successive knockdowns aren't ruled a stoppage and vice versa, aj vs Dubois wasn't stopped in round 4, aj got sent to the void in round 5 before it was called off. But that already assumes he drops Frazier. Why didn't Povetkin ever hurt Huck ? Klitschko slept Chambers but Povetkin didn't hurt him once.

I see Frazier winning almost every round he doesn't get floored even when they'd be competitive. Fraizer is more verstile and active up close
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Marco Huck must have really struck you as similar to Frazier for you to base your prediction on the Huck fight so exclusively. What is it about Huck's style that made you think he was such a close fighter to Joe Frazier?

 

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Huck is a pressure fighter lol. Huck isn't relentless but his biggest rounds were when he was drowning the guy and throwing volume like the end of 7. Huck himself said before the fight he had a bigger heart and more willpower than Povetkin and it was his first and only fight at heavyweight

Huck is very good but still pretty basic and wild, Frazier is just flat out better fighter. Huck doesn't move his head, only head hunts, has a good jab but is stiff and upright as a lamppost. Frazier had an active guard extra defense beyond the bobbing and weaving. You're so convinced that Frazier is chinny with no power that his style will lead to his downfall against Povetkins power and uppercuts lol, i don't see the base for this.

Povetkin would not be comfortable here at all, Frazier would and was a vicious body puncher, it's just a question of Fraziers chin and grit really

 

Ah. I understand. You believed you were discussing this matchup with someone who thinks Frazier was a chinny fighter with no punch. Your posts make sense in that context. That's the disconnect.

Whereas Frazier actually could hit fairly hard, and was reasonably durable, but wasn't as hard hitting or durable as Povetkin.

As far as Huck goes, if the only similarity to Frazier is his aggression, then why not draw a parallel instead to Chagaev, who was better than Huck, also aggressive, closer in size to Frazier, and lost to Povetkin? Is it just that Povetkin looked bad in the Huck fight, and you are trying to make an argument for Frazier?

 

Because you seem to be heavily advocating for Povetkin as the favorite in this matchup despite the gulf in resume especially with that part about Frazier getting stopped by the ref lol, but am I just misinterpreting you ? Are you just playing devils advocate ? Let me know. Povetkin has the tools to be a very rough night for Joe but it goes both ways and being bigger and more powerful doesn't do it for me when he looked like his soul was leaving him against a 209 pounder