Joe Frazier vs Evander Holyfield

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  1. cross_trainer

    cross_trainer Liston was good, but no "Tire Iron" Jones Full Member

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    TKO before late rounds. 5 seems a bit early, but somewhere around 8 seems right.
     
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  2. mr. magoo

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    I have a very hard time seeing any heavyweight doing that to Evander in his prime. Even Riddick Bowe fought a poorly prepared holy who was 33 years of age, and had to sustain a knockdown and a number of hard shots himself before forcing a stoppage..
     
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  3. BUMPY KNUCKLES

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    TKO ! Holyfield was stronger , he had superior boxing skills , and had just as much heart as Frazier , I really dont think Frazier could stop Holyfield on his greatest day
     
    BUMPY KNUCKLES, Feb 24, 2011
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  4. mr. magoo

    mr. magoo VIP Member Full Member

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    Agreed,

    A prime and well conditioned Holyfield had every bit as much durability and staying power as the version of Muhammad Ali who was coming fresh off 4 years of exhile. The difference is that he actually had the strength, power and fighting style to mix it up with Joe on the inside, whereas Frazier preferred to take on boxers who gave him chances to slip their jab and come up with the left hook.... I don't think Frazier enjoys this match at all.
     
    mr. magoo, Feb 24, 2011
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  5. cross_trainer

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    Holyfield had trouble with body shots on a couple occasions, and Frazier's hooks and rights to the body really hacked into his opponents' rib cages. Round after round of damage through accumulation could force a stoppage. I agree that you wouldn't see a clean knockout, though.
     
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  6. McGrain

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    One thing that hasn't been said is how much Holyfield rellied upon his mobility for his defence in his prime. Against Bowe the second time, he's all small moves, tipping back, away, coming away from shots, making it difficult for Bowe to close the distance, practically daring him to do it.

    This is meet and potato for Frazier. In terms of style, I think the advantage is his. Frazier is better at not getting hit up close, and at landing the leather. I think he gets considerably more home in earnest.
     
    McGrain, Feb 24, 2011
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  7. thegoldenera

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    frazier was not small , he was a natural 217 pounder but he fought at205-210 in his prime , he was very strong and compact to be 5ยด11, he had a very big structure of bones ,holyfield was a natural cruiser, and on the topic, frazier would beat evander with any rules, styles make fights.
     
    thegoldenera, Feb 24, 2011
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  8. techks

    techks ATG list Killah! Full Member

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    The fans by way of great fight. Both guys don't mind giving a lot and will not back down. I can see Frazier giving him problems and outworking him but it's really a pick em kind of fight. Holyfield in his prime did have problems with guys lesser than Frazier(his nephew, Cooper for instance) so I lean towards Frazier to win by way of late rounds stoppage(12-15) or by decision. Great,great fight.
     
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  9. round15

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    Smokin' Bert Cooper almost had Holyfield out. The ropes and the ref saved him. Frazier would finish Holyfield where Cooper didn't. I'd give Evander the respect of making this a war like Frazier vs Quarry but he'd eventually fall from the relentless body assault Frazier would put on him.
     
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  10. Liechhardt

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    Smokin' Joe wide ud (10-5 in rds and a knockdown or two), Holy guts it out til the end.
     
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  11. brando18b4h

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    I think Joe would Smoke Evander like a cheap White Owl
     
    brando18b4h, Feb 24, 2011
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  12. thegoldenera

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    :rofl
     
    thegoldenera, Feb 25, 2011
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  13. thegoldenera

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    joe frazier would beat holyfield 8/10 fights, if bert cooper could hurt peak holyfield, frazier would finish him for sure. frazier was stronger than holyfield, more compact, he had more stamina, even more heart, he was harder puncher, better body puncher, and he had the pressure style to beat holyfield, evander did not have the hitting power to stop frazier, plain and simple.you need to have the hitting power of foreman to knock him out(and even it was a tko, not a ko), and holyfield was not ali either. frazier by late tko .
     
    thegoldenera, Feb 25, 2011
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  14. Boucher

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    Holyfield small? he is 6 ' 2 1/2" 218lbs + ,bigger than Jeffries, heavier than Baer, nearly as big as Ali [ 1/2 inch].

    I think Frazier eventually grinds him down, , late stoppage ,or very exciting dec ,in a very competitive fight.
    I wouldnt be astonished if Holyfield took a dec however.
     
    Boucher, Feb 25, 2011
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  15. thegoldenera

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    prime holyfield never weighed 218 pounds, holyfield was a natural cruiser even lhw, in his best moment at hw he weighed 208-209 pounds, he trained weights like a madman, and probably he took roids, he was muscular but he had very skinny structure of bones, frazier was naturally bigger ,stronger,heavier and more compact. evander was only taller. jefries was naturally much bigger than holyfield... please..... jefries weighed 215-225 pounds in a very old era, without modern advantages. baer was bigger than holyfield too. probably jefries in the era of evander would have weighed around 230 pounds. foreman,liston,chuvalo,bonavena,frazier,carnera,jefries... all them were big boned by genetics, the natural weight is not = weight training weights
     
    thegoldenera, Feb 25, 2011
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