Joe Frazier vs Jack Dempsey

This is an impression conveyed by the misleading footage of his rusty performances against Tunney, not a careful frame by frame review of the movie films showing his performances against Willard, Carpentier or Firpo.

A frame by frame movie film analysis of Dempsey's showing against Gibbons, compared with Tommy's own assessment of Jack's boxing skills afterwards should dispell any notions about Dempsey's skills in this regard.

If Smoke were to somehow manage to stop him, it would take at least this interval of time to accomplish that.

 

I'm sorry, but you really don't seem to know what you're talking about.

 

I do want to backtrack slightly on the innacuracy angle, if you don't mind. Whilst I do agree with that, I have a stupid habit of making bold statements, which clouds what I actually think. Saying "Dempsey was innacurate" is one of those. I should have expanded on it more, but I couldn't (and can't) be arsed.

I'll sort this out tommorow, I think

 

Frazier would have smoked him.

 

Dempsey ,power from both fists,as fast ,durable ,and better overall,Frazier is bigger,and heavier ,but Dempsey fought a lot of heavier men,Jack by ko in 8rds.

 

I rank Frazier higher on my All-Time list, but head-to-head this is a poor matchup. With the exception of Tyson, Dempsey is perhaps the next fastest starter in HW history- bad news for Frazier who usually takes a number of rounds before he starts to 'smoke'.

Dempsey TKO5 Frazier

 

Many people talk about Frazier's durability, but what about Dempsey's?

The biggest punchers he faced are Willard and Firpo. Willard was 37, out of shape and didn't landed much of note. Firpo knocked Dempsey down twice, and should've won by disqualification when Dempsey was illegally helped by thirds back into the ring.
Carpentier, Tunney and Gibbons were lightheavyweights without a big punch and Brennan and Miske didn't carry a big punch either.

Dempsey faced an extremely small amount of punchers throughout his career. The only other you might add to his list is Carl Morris, who was so bad that he managed to lose a lopsided decision to Willard.

And tell me: is Bonaneva really that much worse than Firpo? I don't think so: take a look at how wild Firpo swings and how exposed he leaves himself to counters. Imagine if Bonavena was the best puncher that Frazier faced in his entire career and not only that, but he fought him only in his prime. His chin would've looked like to be made of granite.



I think the peak 1971 Frazier was an awesome fighter and i think he would weather the storm early and stop Dempsey late, in the championship rounds.

 

Dempsey was more shoved out of the ring by Firpo than knocked out of it.

 

Style, size, power. Dempsey by KO in the first three rounds.

 

No, but he did fight (and beat) Bivins. Take another guess.

No, he wasn't. Here you go:

Firpo landed several punches and drove Dempsey into the ropes. He just landed a left and is about to throw the decisive right:

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Right hand on its way:

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.... And the wild, hard right hand lands flush on Dempsey's chin. No half blocking, no rolling with the punch or anything.

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It landed flush and IMMEDIATLY, Dempsey falls down through the ropes. Not like Firpo had to lean on him for some time.

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And he's out:

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If you think Firpo shove Dempsey through the ropes, then how come no one copied this brilliant strategy?? All you have to do is lean a bit, shove on the heavyweigh champion of the world near the ropes and he falls out!

 

He did punch Dempsey, with the right, dont get us wrong on that, but he did used the left to push Dempsey.

 

I've watched the fight numerous times (and just re-watched it) It's a shove.

 

Right. It's the only time in the entire match where one participant's fist is in contact with his opponent's head for more than a single frame, remaining connected to Dempsey's face for at least three frames or more. If landed in mid-ring, it would not have resulted in a knockdown, and was recorded by several members of the press as a shove, or half punch-half shove at the time, before the film was developed.

A competent referee would not have ruled it as a knockdown today. As it was, Johnny Gallagher got a five week suspension from the NYSAC for losing control and failing to enforce the neutral corner rule. He was never allowed to referee an important match again. (Hell, Jack Gallagher was Tex Cobb's dream referee come true; "We're in there to raise hell, and the referee's only job is to count to ten!")