Joe Frazier vs Jack Dempsey

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The other is Joe Louis.

And three frames equals..... how much of a fraction of a second?

On top of that, pushing and shoving is part of boxing. You didn't see Frazier go down when Ali leaned on him numerous of times.
My guess? The difference is that Dempsey was already stunned from the three punches that landed flush on his jaw, and the last one made his legs go and knocked him down, and for his bad luck, out of the ring.

 

As the fight was not shot with a high speed or motorized camera, that contact was probably sustained for a slightly longer interval than the film would indicate. (Also keep in mind that videotape generally runs at a speed of 12 frames per second, where movie film goes at 24 frames per second. I haven't reviewed the movie film in many years, only the videotape, and sequentially inferior on-line footage.)

His head was underneath the top rope at that instant, and his knees were buckled from behind, clipped by the ring ropes. For all we know, Firpo would have been better off with Dempsey remaining inside the ring.

Pushing and shoving is indeed a part of boxing. We see Foreman bowl over Boone Kirkman in his own corner at the opening bell, nearly go flying over the top rope when missing Ali (shortly before Muhammad took George out), and both Ali and Bugner nearly went over the top rope together in Malaysia. (Jurgen Blin lacerated his elbow when taking a tumble after missing Ali.)

Carlos Padilla ruled Roldan's shove down on the back of Hagler's neck as a clean knockdown, and Padilla likewise ruled Antuofermo's shovedown of Minter as a knockdown in their first bout. Mistaken calls happen all the time.

 

Well - ok.

You think he got pushed out of the ring, i think he got punched out of the ring.

 

Agreed, I'm surprised that the majority seem to like Dempsey in this fight.

 

Dempsey doesn't make it out of the 8th. I am astounded by the overwhelming majority of picks against Frazier... Dempsey was dropped by lighter hitters and less able men than Frazier- Frazier's chin was better, he hit harder (Dempsey is overrated), and he punched sharper. Frazier would go to work on him after round three and punish him. It would end alot like he ended Foster; starting with a quick knockdown and ending with a beautifully timed and brutal left hook. There is no way I can concieve of Frazier losing this one.

 

This is the most ridiculous thing I have read here in a while... While I usually disagree with you, the things you say are generally respectable. That statement is downright emberassing.

 

I'm with you, Wave. :good

 

Frazier by KO7.

 

Dempsey by late stoppage, however i wouldn't rule out Fraziers chances at all. Great fight, tough match up.

 

Do you not think that Dempsey was a highly accurate and instinctive puncher?

 

I think Dempsey would win.

But I wouldn't write off Frazier's chances.

 

I think this is a tough fight, I like Dempsey overall but Jack was staggered by George Carpentier and Joe was rocked by many. I could see Fraziers hook landing and hurting Jack but Dempsey's follow up , 2 fisted power and speed, give him the edge, I can see Frazier swollen up and hurt because he has no backward motion, Dempsey is shifting angles and catching an incoming Frazier.....Dempsey by 8th round stop

 

He was accurate, but not so much that it's worth noting. It's not necessary to state that any of these greats are accurate or instinctive. That is exactly what they are... But Dempsey was not as accurate as most of heavies that would be considered ATG's. Of course he was "instinctive"- they didn't have the techniques or training of these days and he did well and punched well for what he had.