Joe Frazier vs Jack Dempsey ?

This. Dempsey is no Foreman and his speed isn't significant enough nor his skills good enough to win him this fight.

 

Dempsey was a savage from the first bell and threw straighter, shorter punches. Frazier had good head movement, but threw wilder punches such as that looping left hook.

Both fighters had problems against boxers with a good jab. This would be a brawl, however, and I just favor Dempsey's slashing punches to do some damage. Dempsey by stoppage for me, but it's a tough fight to call.

 

Foreman destroyed the smaller man in Frazier. Dempsey destroyed men far bigger than he in his own era. Don't underestimate Dempsey's power. After all, he was being outboxed by Jack Sharkey, and all it took was a short left hook over the top to end it then and there...

 

Demsepy destroyed two large, slow, plodding, imobile men in an old, inactive Willard and the worst contender i've ever seen in Firpo and it took about 6 knockdowns each before they gave in. Sharkey was also KO'd by Carnera so i guess he too has massive power. Please do not assume because the significantly larger, stronger Foreman beat Frazier (couldn't keep him down) that Dempsey would do the same. Dempsey's best performance is usually said to be the Willard fight where he admitted that he actually weighed 180, Frazier at his best was about 205. Frazier got up from getting lifted of the canvas by perhaps the hardest punching heavyweight champ in history and Dempsey got KO'd cold by a guy not known for power.

In Frazier, Dempsey will be fighting a more skilled, refined and more methodical version of himself who is also bigger and stronger. If you don't think weight will play its part in this fight look at Foster vs Frazier.

 

Frazier's on a whole nother Level

 

I try not too look at things like weight when comparing fighters in two completely separate eras. Generally, heavyweights have got heavier as the years have gone by.

As for comparing the size of the men they faced, it's probably not relevant as Dempsey and Frazier are similar in stature anyway. I was simply trying to point to the fact that, no, Dempsey wasn't Foreman, but he had vicious punch power. Sharkey had a good chin, he held up to and beat George Godfrey (by all accounts a big puncher) and Max Schmeling, (and Carnera first time round), and, as I say, Sharkey was out for Dempsey's left hook.

Also, I'm not sure if Frazier is particularly more skilled. Frazier had better head movement, but Dempsey had good footwork in my opinion, he was a skilled fighter.

Anyway, like I said in another post its a tough call, I just think Dempsey would catch Frazier with straighter, slashing punches while Joe tried to bustle and hook his way inside.

 

They are not even particularly similar stylisticaly.

 

How many punches did Frazier land on Mathis, Quarry,Chuvalo ,Bonavena , Bugner, Ali ? All were on their feet at the end of the fight. In fact ,which rated heavy did Frazier ever knock unconscious?

Dempsey had a right hand too, it was called Iron Mike, ring a bell?

 

Come forward, pressure fighters who used good upper body and head movement and had a devastating left hook. Dempsey was more wild with his punches and was usually at mid distance, Frazier's punches were more tight and faster, fought best at close distance. I'd say they're a bit similiar.

 

You mean a crunching shot to the balls? Dempsey should have been DQed

 

No he wasn't. He got hit in the friggin Balls. Watch the tape.