Joe Frazier vs Jack Dempsey ?

As much as im sure you're a good, respectable man, i would love to punch you in the face. Theres just something about you..

 

Tough one to choose, both guys wouldnt have to go far to look for each other.

If the fight goes into the later rounds would Dempsey crumble under the pressure?

 

very fair. simular to how I see it.:good

 

Just draw my face on a punch bag and you can punch it as much as you want!

 

1968 - 1969 - 1970

'Smokin Joe' wins, as his head-bopping, side-to-side movement and defense were
much better.

1971 and later,,,,'Smokin Joe' was there to be hit.

 

Love Joe...trained at his gym, been in Marvis Fraziers house, but sentiment aside Dempsey wins.

 

Great fight...if it's prime vs prime...I'll take the Toledo Dempsey...

 

Can we have a moratorium on these two words together?

So, he beat a 37 year old dirigible posing as part-time boxer, full-time cowhand, who hadn't entered a ring in 3 years. That's a great accomplishment if you're in a John Wayne movie but kinda **** if you're talking about the Heavyweight Title.

 

Not certain this is the case or as obvious as it seems. It's not like Frazier didn't have top level power. And he was up there against some big and sturdy guys. Dempsey often dropped guys that would eventually rise (As did Frazier). Not to mention glove size...

 

Frazier KO4.

More skilled, more proven, hungrier.

 

More skilled !!!! You kidding?

 

I am a Frazier fan as well as a Dempsey fan. Both at their best were near unbeatable within their own time.

Because of career timing, at any one time there just isnt room to have that many prime Atg champions around at the same time. Each champion benefits from this. The fact that there is one around kind of means their cannot be another because each particular ATG has benefited from the right timing to develop into that extra something. It also means they are one step ahead of the guys they did meet.

There is a reason why each super talent lived at another time zone with his own era to dominate. It is because all the careers of his availible rivals have to favour the champs career path. If he was matched harder he would burn out and simply not shine like he did and a more fortunate fighter would take his place. A little hype helps all great champions along ..dempsey included.

All fighters look great winning when the odds favour them. Because of career timing a fighter can look great beating good fighters but often they are no longer good fighters when they are beaten. Its important not to decide the fighter you dont like is the only one who gets all the breaks. All great fighters (as well as being "great" champions) also happen to get all the breaks.

 

How did Dempsey fare in his 1917 fight with John Lester Johnson? His exhibitions with "Big" Bill Tate? I don't really have a litmus test to predict how he fares against black fighters. I hate to make this thread racial and Dempsey would most likely be effective regardless of the race of his adversary. Did he ever take on Kid Norfalk? And not fighting Langford in 1918 or Wills in 1924 doesn't look good either. I am not blaming Dempsey for this. His handlers eschewed these bouts which really could have given a better indication of how he would fare against an atg like Frazier.

 

Dempsey destroyed a lot more than Willard and Firpo ... prime for prime Frazier had about fifteen pounds on him but I would not say Joe was stronger. They were pretty even in this category .. Jack was the faster man, the faster starter and the better two handed puncher ... I'd rate them about even on defense and durability ... it is a very interesting fight that could go either way ...

Frazier is famous for his hanging in there and fighting on strong and late but this was established against lighter punchers like Ali and Mathis ... he was not able to do it against Foreman and while Foreman was massively strong it was the power of his punches and not his upper body strength that did Joe in ..

I think this has the potential to be a monster, nasty fight ... I may ever so slightly lean to Jack because I feel the early damage he may do will take something out of Joe ... that being said it easily could go either way ...