Joe Frazier vs. Kallie Knoetzee '1978'

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  1. Il Duce

    Il Duce Boxing Addict Full Member

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    This fight almost happened.
    Smokin Joe was in training for this fight, then caught viral hepatitis,
    which landed him in a Philadelphia Hospital.

    Scheduled for April 1978.
    Could the 33 year-old Joe Frazier have clobbered the big 25 year-old South African, at a time when Knoetzee
    14-1-0 (13 KO's) was as hot as a pistol. The 6' 1" 210 lb. Knoetzee was just fresh off his
    3-Round destruction of Duane Bobick in February 1978.

    A victory over Knoetzee would have put Joe right back into the WBA Heavyweight picture,
    possibly against current WBA Champion Leon Spinks, or challenger and former 2-time Champion Muhammad Ali.

    Or in line to fight the winner of the June 1978 Ken Norton vs Larry Holmes WBC Heavyweight Title fight.
     
  2. Stevie G

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    I remember this fight being planned,and thinking that Frazier was off his head for thinking about coming back. We'd have have been talking about a ring rusty version of the Frazier who fought the return with George Foreman in 1976. Joe was bad enough in that one,but nonetheless,he'd have had enough left for Knoetzee,imo.
     
  3. Il Duce

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    Yank Durham had reported that Joe Frazier had been training in his Philadelphia gym since
    November 1977, and had been down to 208 lbs.
    He was looking very good, and had restored the strength in his legs.

    If Kallie Knoetzee was not available, he would willing to fight Gerrie Coetzee too.

    Also, A $750,000 offer was on the table for 'Smokin Joe' to take on Earnie Shavers,
    in 1978.

    Joe Frazier also could have picked up some nice pocket change, if he wanted to
    go to South Africa, and have an early-March tune-up versus a lesser-opponent.

    Kallie Knoetzee, a former South African policeman stated, a bout versus Joe and
    himself could draw 75,000+ in South Africa, political issues aside.
     
  4. alexvoce

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    yank durham died in 1973...
     
  5. Stevie G

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    I was about to jump back into this one,for the very same reason as you did. Duce obviously means Eddie Futch.
     
  6. mr. magoo

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    That does complicate matters.
     
  7. alexvoce

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    yeah then i was gunna edit my post and put dont u mean eddie futch :)
     
  8. mr. magoo

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    I suppose Joe's experience and determination would always give him a chance, but anytime an aging fighter returns from an extended layoff, it usually results in a bad ending. Especially when the first fight back is against a rated contender in his prime, and not a journeyman or tomato can. Joe was never the type to take the comback road the way that Foreman, Holmes or Louis did, by facing a string of lesser opponents before stepping up.. Even Floyd Cummings looked somewhat promising in 1981, though in hindsite never went anywhere. A big puncher like Knoetzee might have proven to be an aging Frazier's downfall..
     
  9. Stevie G

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    I'd have been more worried about where a victory over Knoetzee would have taken Frazier. He'd have got beaten badly by someone like an up and coming Larry Holmes.
     
  10. mr. magoo

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    I agree. Give a dog a bone, and he'll beg for more... Had Joe beaten a top contender in the late 70's, its doubtful that he would have quit while he was ahead.. The temptation to try for another stab at the title would have been overwhelming, and it could have been the death of him..
     
  11. Il Duce

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    Yes, I was wrong,,,,,,the article states, Eddie Futch.........

    Can I get DQ'd for a mistake or holding,,,,,,,,,,not if Tony Perez is the referee.
     
  12. mr. magoo

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    don't worry about it. I didn't even know anything about that article you posted nor even that much about Yank Durham for that matter.
     
  13. Il Duce

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    Never knew 'Smokin Joe' was sparring with Leon Spinks, in helping him
    prepare for the first Muhammad Ali in February 1978.

    Joe Frazier could have even taken a tune-up bout versus Mike Schutte
    in March 1978 if he wanted to. That was one of the offers..
    A nice easy $200,000 cake walk in South Africa.
     
  14. Stevie G

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    Joe originally wanted to come back and have a fourth fight with Muhammad Ali,and without a tuneup !!!!! Just think how terrible that fight would have been :roll: The idea was to fight Ali in early 1978. Now,although Muhammad had slipped,big time,since Manilla Joe had to have deteriorated even more,taking into account his near two years of ringrust.
     
  15. Il Duce

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    I wonder if 'Smokin Joe' had enough left, to take on Leon Spinks in early-1979.

    Maybe, enough for,,,, Rudy Gauwe,,,,,,??