Joe Frazier vs. Late 60's & all 70's big punchers

Agreed.

The only big puncher not listed is the guy Smokin Joe was going to fight in 78 in Knoetze. That's the big hitter I see taking Frazier out & most of that is due to what a 78 Frazier would've brought to the table.

As for the others, Lyle was pretty much ruined by that foreman fight. Mac Foster never bounced back from that Quarry defeat and he didn't exactly absorb a ton of punishment round after round in that one. Shavers was being carefully matched and they didn't put him in w/ anyone that could hit after that Quarry loss aside from Lyle & Earnie lost that one badly. Bobick was no big hitter and had to string together a ton of punches to get a guy out of there, And Norton was another guy that had some selective matchmaking on his behalf and they weren't putting him in with any dangerous hitters after the Foreman mismatch.

 

Wrong, that is the only fight you've seen Vitlai Uppercut. Vitlai uses the punch in some matches. Even in the Lewis match. In fact, I've seen Vitlai knock guys out with the uppercut on the way up.

 

Point is he never used it effectively against a contender who actually isn't a stationary target. Williams and the few bums he fought in Germany aren't world class boxers who use world class head movement. The problem with Vitali is he never fought the best contenders in his era. He fought a handful of ranked guys losing 2 of them and the rest of his fights are meaningless. That makes him unproven

 

Lewis and Byrd were not part of the best in the 2000's? Sanders was Ring rated #3. Please.

 

Exactly Vitali fought a handful of contenders and lost 2 fights. Sanders had fought 2 rounds in 2 years and was 20-30lbs over weight, plus he is Rahman left overs

Theres about 10-15 other contenders Vitali should have faced yet didn't. Whats happening with the Peter fight anyway?

 

Gee--I sure didn't see a bunch of the american heavyweights calling him out when he was on his way up. On the contrary. He always said the guy he wanted to fight was Tyson and they were busy getting guys like Julius Francis and Neilsen instead. After the Hide win--in his backyard as well--Vitali said he wanted a Tyson fight. And it has only been about the last 2 or 3 years that Holyfield has even bothered to even pronounce the Klitschko names.

It takes another party to sign contracts and none of the old guys where signing to fight & fights like Golata and so forth would have been big big moneymakers. But then if your guy gets ko'd by Vitali, the proceeds from that big fight is about all the money that particular fighter was going to make. Vitali was a very dangerous guy on the way up & was a "who needs this guy" caliber of opponent and you cannot force matchups to be made.

 

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Is that an example of how to put the least possible amount of bodyweight behind a punch?

 

Of course you must be right ,still, its a bit of a mystery how Klitschko has 34 ko's in 35 wins ,giving him a 91.89% for ko's,imagine what he might do if he put his body weight behind his shots?

 

Imagine what would have happened if more than 10% of his competition were top10 fighters

 

Great response! :good :good :good Fair play to you!

 

No, I simply asked him to tell me, what specific similarities and traits did he see between George Foreman as opposed to Klitschko, Ruddock and Lewis. What's more, I asked him to state which fights he saw these skills demonstrated, and how much did their opponents have in common with Joe Frazier. He came up with one example, which was Vitali Klitschko's fight with Danny Williams, in which some uppercuts were supposedly thrown.

I'm not trying to badger Russell, but frankly I don't think my questions were answered.

 

Frazier would beat all of those guys, most by KO

 

You can add in Leotis Martin to the list as well.

Frazier would defeat Cooper and Bobick. I also think he beats Mac Foster, who's a bit over rated.

Patterson or Martin has a chance to upset. Maybe 1 in 3. Frazier could be floored in these matches.

Norton and Shavers are close to even money. I'd favor Frazier in pre Ali 1. Post Ali, think Norton beats Frazier. Shavers has a punchers chance, and has under valued skills.

I think Lyle and Liston defeat Frazier. These two had good jabs, and better power. Fraizer own people said they didn't like his chances vs Liston.