Joe Frazier vs. Riddick Bowe

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  2. laxpdx

    laxpdx Boxing Addict Full Member

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    This will be a repeat of the Foreman fight. Bowe by decapitation.
     
  3. congratulations the biggest nonsense i did read ever :happy

    bowe was not even close to foreman in strength or hitting power,and his style was not even similar
     
  4. Mendoza

    Mendoza Hrgovic = Next Heavyweight champion of the world. banned Full Member

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    If both guys were in shape and focused, I would go with Bowe. Frazier was not always a fast starter, and had trouble with larger heavies. Let's look at the large heavies Frazier fought.

    1 ) Buster Mathis. An over weight Buster Mathis. In fact Mathis was in the lead and out boxing Frazier after 7 rounds. Frazier's stamina and determination turned the tide, but the weakness on display here was clear. That is short heavies that have no jab or right cross to rely on are going to be out boxed by a much bigger opponent if he has some skills.

    2 ) Joe Bugner. Bugner was very defensive. His fight with Frazier is remember for Frazier's pink shorts, and the fact that Bugner who hardly threw a punch in anger landed a good one and rocked Frazier late. Of course Frarzier's aggressiveness and work rate won the decision.

    Bowe had size, skills, power, punch variety, and heart over the above fighters. He also had a dangerous uppercut, which is a punch a shorter attacking fighter like Frazier is open to. Frazier fought one big puncher in Foreman, who had less skills than Bowe did, and we saw what happened.

    Bowe TKO Frazier in 6.
     
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    bowe might not handle frazier like foreman did, george was stronger and harder puncher, frazier could not work the body because george had the power to push joe back, foreman did handle frazier like a kid. noway bowe might do it. in the first rounds big daddy would do a great fight with the jab with skill,joe would avoid his jab and right with his bobbing and weaving , but after to 7 rounds the stamina and the pressure from frazier would be the key factor. frazier by late tko in 13 rounds.
    the great mistake here is, you said "when frazier faced a big puncher we saw what happened" foreman was not a big puncher, he is the big puncher, he is top 1-2 with shavers, and i can argue he is the strongest hw ever. riddick bowe was not even top 10 hardest punchers, he is a big and strong guy, but foreman was much more muscular he had more strength , heavier hands and more hitting power..
     
  6. crippet

    crippet Well-Known Member Full Member

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    You take a variety of Fraziers fights to show weakness, whilst not doing the same for Bowe - Do you think the Frazier that beat Bugner would loose to the Bowe that fought Hide???

    If, as it appears, you just use the standard of Bowe from 1 fight [Holy 1] then only use Frazier from the FOTC - disregard any of Fraziers weakness's from other fights, like you are for Bowe.....
    ...and it is clear that Frazier will stop Bowe
     
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  8. RockyJim

    RockyJim Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Take Frazier in this one...
     
  9. choklab

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    I just think its the same fight as buster mathis for joe.
     
  10. Mendoza

    Mendoza Hrgovic = Next Heavyweight champion of the world. banned Full Member

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    I looked at Frazier fights vs. large heavies. Frazier was great and limited. Frazier had one great punch, the hook. Not much of a jab or right. Frazier seldom used the uppercut. He was short, had limited reach, tended to swell up fast, and in my opinion had a suspect chin vs. punchers.

    In some fights Frazier took a long time to get smoking. Those who pick Frazier by KO should know Bowe was never stopped in his entire ring career. In his pro fights, Bowe was more likely to be hit by the right than the hook.

    I'm not saying Bowe was perfect. He had issues on defense, and outside the ring problems. I
     
  11. basically because he avoided lennox lewis, he never faced tyson or any other big puncher. and joe frazier faced a prime george foreman who would murder bowe.
    is simply ridiculous that bowe has just 1 defeat in his record.
     
  12. round15

    round15 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Not much of a jab or right hand? They weren't his signature punches, but after talking to George Chuvalo, Larry Holmes and Ken Norton, you wouldn't dare say Frazier has no jab or right hand because they would highly disagree with you. He also banged Quarry, Bugner, Stander and Ali in the FOTC rematch with with his right hand and landed more right hand shots in Manilla. He should have used it against Foreman but left his right hand in his dressing room, instead loading up on his hook in 1973.

    Frazier does have a right hand and a jab. It's not as dominant but the punch isn't entirely absent like your insinuating here.
     
  13. laxpdx

    laxpdx Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Congratulations for exposing yourself for the ignoramus you are. You are seriously deluded if you think Bowe wasn't close to Foreman in power. Not only that, but he had the range. Frazier with his style is custom made for Big Daddy.
     
  14. riddick bowe is not even top 10 hardest punchers, foreman is top 1-2, and foreman had much more strength, bowe was just a big guy and more skilled.end of the history. foreman had the style to neutralize the style of joe.
    learn boxing ****ing clown ignorant
     
  15. laxpdx

    laxpdx Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Yes, learn boxing you ****ing ignorant clown.