Joe Frazier vs Rocky Marciano : who wins?

well said

 

Going back to what I said earlier.
Marciano his "average" fight was a 9.5 rounder while Wlad including the Italian his "average" fight is a 10 rounder.

For the biggest majority of Marciano's career he had to train for less rounds than Wlad.

But to keep it a bit more on topic:
Joe Frazier his average fight was a 11,4 rounder.
Muhammad Ali his average fight was a 12,6 rounder.

As long as we're not talking about ATGs the average guy of then and the average of now train for the same amount of rounds.
Even then, most ATGs don't come close to the average fight Ali had.

 

Who wins? The fans! I go back and forth on this one, but think Rocky hits a little harder, and had a better chin. In a slug fest ( , which is what this fight can only be ) I'll take those two commodities over hand speed.

 

once again this ****ing crap.... when the hell rocky proved it? he faced older, smaller , weaker men than frazier did, and rocky was hurt and dropped by them ,frazier smashed guys who weighed less than 200 pounds and rocky was hurt by guys under 200 pounds , joe frazier had a ****ing better chin than marciano. joe frazier was 20 pounds bigger, faster with hands and feet,stronger, more accurate puncher(i have no prove to say that marciano did hit harder),the only advantage of rocky is a better right hand, frazier had as much stamina and heart and he wa smuch harder to outbox.his footwork was much better frazier was better than marciano, period.

 

I agree that Marciano may get too much credit for having an iron chin and maybe Frazier`s chin gets under rated because of who they faced.

 

Rocky will benifit from Frazier pressing him. He wont have to look to close the gap on Frazier like he did most of his opponents and that will give him the opportunity to lead of with massive shots on Frazier coming in.
Rock was strong enough to tie him up also and would rip him with uppercuts inside.
Blockbuster KO.

 

How do you know Foster hit as hard as Walcott? It can't be proved, like the outcome of the fight. It's great fun to pontificate, though! For what it's worth, I favour Frazier, due to that buzzsaw style of his. I know Rocky had great stamina, but could he cope with the speed and workrate of Joe?

 

While all this is going on Joe`s not going to be ripping hooks back at Marciano? We really don't know how Rocky would handle Joe Frazier`s lefthook.

 

Maybe you should watch some of his fights..Walcott cracked it,Moore cracked it and Louis cracked it like it was just another punch to the face

 

Well Mike Bruce knocked him down,Bonavena 2x, Foreman 6 times, he was stunned by Daniels and Stander and shook by Ramos (who won 4 of his next 29 fights ) and this was all in total of Frazier's 29 fights at that point in time and Joe only won 3 of his next 8 fights for a final record of 32-4-1

so while Frazier showed heart and got up to do battle he did get dropped and stunned so while his toughness and heart can be matched with the best, his style or chin was not, OK we can say 2 of his losses were to the powerful but clubbing Foreman but Ali wobbled him also in fight 2 and although Frazier was never flat KO'd he may have not been so lucky against a pinpoint slick puncher like Walcott,Charles or Moore

 

Marciano hit harder with both hands, although some might think frazier had harder hook. Frazier almost only threw the left hook.

 

Heavy Hands,


In terms of Frazier’s durability, you do know he was down by a no-name ( Bruce ) in his second pro fight? Did you know according to Frazier’s owns words he was nearly KO by Bonavena, who floored him twice! There’s more, some Mexican guy ( Ramos ) who barely landed much stunned Frazier, and the risk adverse Bugner did the same thing late in the match . Heck—Ron Stander buckled Frazier’s needs. None of the above fighters hit as hard as Marciano did. All of the above matches with the exception of the Bruce match are on film.


So the question is what happens when Rocky lands? I think the same thing that happens when Foreman landed. History show us Frazier never beat a big puncher. In fact the only big puncher he fought was Foreman, and we saw how that ended up. So we have to look back at Frazier’s relatively short career to gauge his durability, and as I mentioned above there were too many suspect moments for Frazier. I think Frazier’s management steered him clear of the likes of Shavers, Norton, and Lyle and targeted smaller boxer types without a lot of power where Frazier had a distinct advantage in style. At least that what the record shows.


Granted Frazier has faster feet and hands in this fantasy match up, but he’s also a one trick pony. Frazier had a great left hook that he could fire often and retain its power, but it was not a 10 count machine like say Marciano’s right hand or left hook could be. Frazier’s right hand was average, he was not a jabber, and seldom used an uppercut. So Rocky would only have to watch out for one punch. While Rocky cut up easy, but Frazier had swelling issues around his eyes, which can be worse than cuts.


Rocky is easily the stronger of the two on the inside. He hit harder, was more durable, and was also more versatile on the inside which is huge in this match up. I would pick him to win here, but I do acknowledge this is a 60/40 type of fight.


PS: The legendary trainer Eddie Futch said Frazier had the worst body of any heavyweight champion he saw. You have to respect Futch's opinion. Futch meant this as a complement to Frazier’s will, but a strong man, or an athlete, Frazier was not! His appearance on the sports stars competition was an embrassement.

 

again, pure garbage basing on imagination. oscar bonavena weighed more than 200 pounds and he was stronger than any rival of marciano and he was stronger and bigger than marciano too,joe bugner was a huge guy and very tough marciano would look a midget next to him, pulgarcito ramos was naturally much bigger than moore , archiee more was a natural lhw and he was old when he faced rocky, frazier destroyed easily guys who were not natural hws, marciano strugled with them, and comparing marciano with george foreman is the most ridiculouis thing ever, marciano was a 5´10 midget 185 pounder, george foreman was much bigger, 40 pounds heavier, much stronger, he had much longer reach, his style was different, he had a better chin, he did hit much harder... horrible point. joe frazier was bigger,stronger, faster, he had better chin than marciano, frazier did hit harder with the left hook for sure,, he had as much heart and stamina and he was proved against better men than rocky did, so frazier wins

 

all these guys were natural hws, it is the difference, and george foreman is the strongest mother****er in the hw history and top 2 hardest punchers, and of course foreman would **** marciano like his daddy, , i am pretty sure that bonavena would put the ass of rocky in the floor once or twice, the point is that frazier never struggled with natural smaller men, marciano did, so frazier had the better chin. marciano in the 70s would have been a poor man in the bunch, i would love to see him against guys like ron lyle hahah, marciano would have been more times in the floor than he would be fighting. and george chuvalo (head with head)would have showed that marciano was not that strong and the fact that he was a cruiser, not a hw.

 

:rofl:rofl did you see the record of bob foster? and his fights?can you prove that thomas hearns did hit harder than pacquiao? no... but you know that he did