Joe Frazier vs Rocky Marciano : who wins?

Boloney...Walcott was a banger and accurate so was Charles and Moore dominated and KO'd the top Big men to get the title shot, I knew Oscar seen him train he was strong but not a banger and 5"10 he lost to Patterson and did not hurt Floyd (who was dropped quite often....Frazier got rocked by 5"10 Stander and Terry Daniels so Sorry Marciano had the better chin...Lyle had a lot of close decision wins when he moved up and Jerry Quarry dominated him and he was maybe 6" and 200lbs

 

Its possible Rocky may have had the better chin... But I don't think that conclusion should be drawn on the premise that the other man in question was beaten pillar to post by George Foreman.. If we're honest, it's probable that Rocky wouldn't spend much time on his feet against that particular opponent either..

 

Marciano had a better chin because he was hit by blown up middle weights like Archie Moore and got knocked down and Frazier was knocked down by Foreman and Oscar Bonavena 2 true heavyweights.

Yeah that makes alot of sense. Frazier by brutal 2nd round knockout.

 

Walcott was 190 pounds and had 30 KO's in 50 wins. That isn't world class punching power. Nice but not world class and Walcott was again 190 or so pounds and past his prime.

Bonavena had 58 wins and 44 knockouts and was a true heavweight so why do you believe Walcott had more power? Because that is what you heard?

Rocky Marciano was rocked by Ted Lowry and should of lost that fight. But he still has a better chin because again he fought middle weights who were washed up or he fought mob controlled fighters.

 

Not saying that Rocky DID have the better chin.. Just saying that's its possible. No real way of knowing that unless both men fought the same or comparable opponents and giving us a chance to see how each man held out. Incidentally, you're selling Moore a tad short by labeling him as just a " blown up middle weight." He was boxing's all time Knockout king, and put many of light heavyweights and heavyweights to sleep.. I see your point about him not being on Foreman's level in terms of true heavyweight power.. But Frazier got killed by Foreman, so it doesn't exactly give us much to work with in terms of a durability comparison. I pick Joe Frazier to win the fight based on a combination of faster hands, stylistic attributes, workrate, and a bit of additional size.. The chin thing I'm not entirely sold on... Biggest thing for me, is that if Walcott could land that left hook often enough, then its plausible that Frazier who was the heavyweight division's left hook master could find a home for it too, only with more power and frequency..

 

Henry Cooper, Sonny Banks, Darnell Boone, Al Iovino, Omar Amaya.

Do these names mean anything to you?

Who was Rocky fighting in his 14th fight?

A better question would be, how long did it take for Marciano to fight someone as good as Bonavena?

Frazier had a trial by fire. Bonavena was a very risky move for someone going into their 14th fight.

I beg your pardon?

He landed a very hard right uppercut that lifted Joe onto the back foot. He was a big puncher and landed exactly the kind of punch that you'd want to on a bob and weaving fighter.

Stunned Joe briefly, but then it was back to work and a mid rounds stoppage

Bugner was a lacklustre fighter, but when he was 'inspired' he could be a very dangerous puncher.

How many stumbles do you think we could pick up in Marciano's 'early' career if it was as widely filmed as Frazier, a gold medalist and world champion hopeful from the start?

The amount of time it took him to step up in competition makes me wonder about that.

As it stands, all we really see is the finished product, whereas with Frazier you can see his developmental stage. Even still, you've used enough creative language.

 

Marciano wasn't happy with his pro debut, got some amateur fights lost a few and went back.

How unbeaten is the man really?

It's different than being Am going to pro and going pro>going am>going pro again.

 

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Some of these hypotheticals are very difficult to assess, and this is a prime example.

Interestingly Frazier has 2/3 of the votes.

 

Whwen guys stood in the pocket with Rocky they took unmerciful beatings to the head and body.
All I can envision is Rock plugging Frazier coming in with overhand rights over and over.
Rock always ducked and slip to his right which makes it hard for Frazier to catch him clean with his left hook.
Patterson was a great hooker and Cus knew 100% Rocky would demolish him so kept him at LH till it was safe to move up.

 

When Rock knocked guys out he had to walk off excess enegry by circling the ring. He could go another 15 or 20 if he had too.
An authentic ATG.

 

I've heard this before, but is it substantiated?

Surely that wasn't legal?

 

oscar bonavena had a better %ko than walcott, he was stronger and much tougher and he fought at hw during all his career because he was a natural hw, you can´t say the same thing about walcott, charlie goldman said that bonavena did hit harder tha marciano right? and of course the 6´3 220 pounder muscular ron lyle did hit much harder than walcott. moore was 40 years old and he was a natural super mw -lhw and he dropped marciano when foster could not even hurt frazier ,so sorry frazier had clearly a better chin than rocky

 

I don't think you're always right, but I think you're right right now

 

Marciano isn't exactly just another "small man under 200lbs." as another poster so astutely pointed out. He sweated down to the lean weight he fought at. He could have just as easily been a portly 220lbs ala Galento or Don Cockell, etc.

He was similiar to Frazier in size. However, one would venture to guess considerably physically stronger. Frazier being a slow starter would be in the danger zone early in the fight. In the end I see nothing but a Marciano victory inside the distance most likely.

Marciano KO 7 Frazier