Joe Frazier vs Rocky Marciano : who wins?

Although it's way off topic, I agree with Rooster....Young won that fight.

 

Young was a boring safety first, boxer who did not have it in him to go that extra mile.

I decide who won a fight with the evidence of my own eyes, not what Cosell or Norton say.

 

I think the infighting would be the difference. Marciano liked space and had trouble when a weaker and less powerful than Frazier, Ezzard Charles crowded him. Frazier was good at fighting chest to chest or forehead to forehead, exactly where I think will end up much of the time.

 

go that extra mile? you saying Jimmy didnt have it in him to win major fights? He beat Foreman and other top names

Norton, beat Ali both officially and unofficially. u dont have to win officially to beat another fighter and besides, it is well known that Jimmy won so no one has to pretend

as for Jimmy being boring, that has no bearing on the outcome. the name of the game is scoring, and Ali was outscored on that nite

personally, I thought Ali had a couple too many fights by that time

 

You dont have to win officially to win? Actually you do.
And all officials voted for Ali.
I'm saying that up against a past it 34 years old, 230lbs fat ,complacent champion ,a prime 27years old Young did not have it in him to put the issue beyond doubt.

 

If its 15 rounder, then Frazier by decision. Or some of the guys gets ko in the late rounds. But I go with Frazier by UD.

 

I played this fight last night in Fight Night Champion (love that game lol) I played it on the hardest difficulty and it had Marciano win TKO in the 8th
Both men had been cut and swollen.. and knocked down twice it was pretty fun.
But back to reality
I wanna lean on Marciano solely because nothing I've read here has lead me to believe that Joe would win based on skill and psychical attributes. It's just been "Durr Joe Frazier was bigger therefore he'd win"

 

Agreed!

 

frazier knocks marciano out in a barn burner

 

Marciano had 2 good hands and the right hand is the key here. Good action fight with Marciano winning by KO about the 9-10th round

 

So much bias & cherry-picking on both sides by some.

So let us try & be objective.
Record: Marciano obviously much better in the pros, worst as an amtuer.

Competition: Frazier must be said to have faced better competition in a better era.
Also the bane of a swarmer are excellent sluggers. Marciano faced very good boxers, when the Charles/Walcott/Moore fought they were on average not far past their primes & very good indeed, yet no top sluggers like a Foreman, even Bonavena.

Experience: Before their prime Marciano had more pro fights, but Joe started younger & much more amateur chops + Olympic gold, I call this a wash.

Power: Got to give it to Rocky. His right was much better.

Punch variety: Rocky. Jow jabbed sometimes, & it is absird to say his right was merely an ornament, but it was less active & effective & relied on fabled left hook, not things like Rodky's uppercut & overhand right.

Chin: Gotta give it to Rocky. Even considering the competition, Frazier seemed easier to wobble. A definite but not a large edge.

Size: Frazier, 20 lbs. more muscle & a significant reach advantage.
Though in a telephone booth fight it would make little difference.

Strength: hard to say, Rocky was naturally Joe's size, trained down, likely was comparable.

Heart & Soul: BOTH A +, it is equal.

Injuries: Frazier had more with his legally blind eye & left arm, Rocky a bad back, but neither was inhibited in his prome, means little.

Speed: Frazier has a significant advantage, hand & foot.

Defense: I reserve judgement, both had tricky styles for some but were willing to take several to land one.

Accuracy: Frazier by a large margin.

Skin: Rocky more likely to cut than Frazier get too puffy to fight.

Workrate: both did a lot, depends on the fight, I call it a draw.

Inside fighting: I see Frazier as better real close.

Endurance: both superbly conditioned. The only reason to give this to Marciano is because he also could start slow, Frazier's style expended a lot more energy. Rocky never seemed to tire late.

It is stupidity to call either a "bum" or demean what they achieved.
Both had wars & beat bigger guys.

Prediction: it is down to whether Rocky's power could KO or wear Frazier down.
Or Frazier had too much speed & accuracy.

I think more often the large gap in speed & accuracy would give the fight to Frazier.

 

I think Marciano's speed is underrated and Frazier's is overrated especially when it came to where both men were best. Once on the attack they were both relentless but even though Marciano had more one punch KO's with both hands his ability to find his range and counter off-rhythm with opponent with counter and combinations was superior to Frazier. Frazier had the relentless ability to work the body and head with the frontward crouch but he could be timed better because he was still a rhythm fighter.

I don't know what rhythm Marciano was fighting to but he was effective against Rhythm guys and punchers.

 

And you are absolutely correct, sir.

Rocky will be a mess when the ref pulls Joe off him in the 9th.

 

I can see your arguments B.D., at least very possible, though Frazier was not so simple for most to time. His speed & workrate were a headache.

The one thing you said I cannot see at all is their speed over or underrated.

The film semms clear, Frazir was just much faster all around.

 

You simply don't have a frickin clue what you are talking about.

1968-71 Frazier was a truly great fighting machine.