Joe Frazier vs. Rocky Marciano

It's funny to see how Frazier's power is so underrated here ... he without question belongs in the class of just below the Shavers/Foreman/Tuas yet many position him as a volume puncher ... I don't see Rocky or Dempsey having any more luck or effectiveness against Ali who took an exceptiobnal punch, was exceptionally tough and great as a fighter .. I doubt Joe Walcott hit harder with one shot or ten ...

 

I don´t give him the credit. I think he had the potential to be greater than them. That does necessarily mean racking up 25 defences btw.

Don´t you think if, just as an example, he would have been brought along like Joe Louis he would have had a better career? I´m pretty sure of that. And I think he would have developed better, would be more refined and probably not fight as risky as he did at times.

And Walcott is arguably 1-1 against past-prime Louis. And 2-2 against Charles. And this is a, while excellent, a pretty old Walcott himself.

 

I'd say proclaiming Louis a better in-fighter would be the far bolder statement. That was one of his weaknesses, comparative to the rest of his game.

 

I disagree here Mcgrain. When Charles beat him the 2nd time to when he lost to him in the 3rd fight, it was a span of only 4 months in between. So it's safe to say the charles of the 2nd walcott fight was the same as the charles of the 3rd Walcott fight. You can make a case the first time walcott and charles fought in 1949, charles was a slightly better fighter. but not for both wins.

 

A good amount of defences and wins over guys excellent but avoided guys like Elmer Ray.

And he beat both also. If he would have had a proper management and the time to dedicate to boxing only from the beginning I think he would have been good enough to beat both. But that´s only speculation.

Very possible. I don´t think so though. Potential-wise he is up there with the best.

 

Just shows how good he was overall. Louis got beautiful leverage behind even the shortest punches. Better than Frazier. Only Dempsey rivals him in that departement when it comes to hws.

 

Well, I wrote "guys like", this emplies there are more than one. Ray would be the best though.

Well, I guve you that. I have to add that he was already pretty much past his physical prime though.

We have to disagree then here.

 

i would pick frazier to beat marciano by tko late


everyone can kill me now

 

I've said for yrs that Frazier would be the animal that Marciano feared the most in the ring..... Frazier was a shade bigger than Marciano and his aggression and left-hook was insane to witness back in 1969 thru 1972...... Marciano has moments, but ends up being chased outta the ring and stopped late in a classic war of attrition......

MR.BILL

 

Talk about an all time classic! I'd say 50/50. This would be one of the most brutal wars in ring history. One thing's for certain, this fight does NOT go the distance. Both men will stand right in front of each other and let thier hands go from the opening bell. Who wins? I can't make up my mind. Put a gun to my head and I'll say Frazier by a hair. The reason is hand speed and head movement. Prime Frazier was faster than prime Marciano. He could whip his punches in quicker. Everything else was just about equal. This could go either way IMO. Kind of like Frazier/Quarry as far as tactics but not necessarily outcome.

 

I favor Frazier but have my doubts ... Few hre mention that Frazier had huge problems with shorter guys, one of the reasons he had fits with the 6ft Bonavena. He had issues landing on the smaller targets and Rocky's crouch could be a real problem for him. This is an extremely tough bout ... if Frazier came out and thought he was going to beat him down like Quarry and trade openly I see him getting crushed. Rocky definately could finish what Bonavena started.