Joe Frazier vs Ron Lyle

The Frazier of FOTC vintage stops Lyle roughly 8 rounds max. Lyle could make things interesting early as Joe always needed a couple rounds to start "smokin" but once he did it would just be a matter of time. Too much non-stop pressure and work rate for Lyle--he eventually folds!

 

Prime Joe eats through Lyle.
It's not gonna be Foreman Frazier all over again imo.
A tough guy was Ron but Joe at his best smokes him.

 

People are saying a lot about Lyle that he’s overrated and not that good yet he gave George Foreman in his prime don’t @ me if you’re gonna go on about how he was a shell blah blah blah the fight of his life. So either Lyle was as good as 70s Foreman at his own game or Foreman was as good as Lyle. The truth is both are overrated.

 

We never seen Frasier face many bigger guys who could punch and box a bit and set up those power punches at distance to mid range, the only one he fought was Foreman, the other names he had on his record were Ali, Ellis, Bugner, Bonavena and Quarry, none of which were massive punchers, yes Bugner was bigger, but didn’t have a massive punch nor did he really use his size, there are a lot more unknowns on this fight than most think.

 

Lyle's success against Foreman came after an extremely bad life altering humbling by Ali, then two years out of the ring. That was not the same Foreman as pre Ali. Also, Lyle still lost the shootout. Frazier lost to Foreman immediately after Lyle (for a second time) so you have to chalk that up to Foreman simply being superior to Frazier. So that triangle theory can be thrown out. He can't do what George did.

Lyles problem against Frazier would be that while a tough hitter, if you wear durable you could beat him. Peralta did, jimmy Young did it, Quarry did it and none of them were "elite" or dynamic as Frazier. Lyle's size might allow him to go rounds with Frazier but Frazier wears him down to nothing and stops him late. Frazier had the engine to beat you up and dispatch you late

 

I put Lyle on a par with Hasim Rahman.

 

I don't believe Lyle was overrated as some do.
He did have some decent wins, like Rondon, Mathis
Shavers, Bonevena and Ellis.
But that doesn't mean he beats Joe Frazier.
Frazier's kryptonite wasn't power punchers, but
physically strong fighters that used that
attribute. Being able to push /pull Frazier
off balance or into punching range was
the key to his problems against Bonvenena
and Foreman.
Lyle was much more a traditional fighter.
He fought behind his jab , and had a very
powerful right hand. While he looked strong
he didn't used it when he fought.
That would be his demise against Frazier.
Lyle would allow Frazier to work. Get
in close and smother his right or consistently
get underneath it, than explode into his
patented left hook counters.
It spells a ko win for Frazier in about
8rds....

 

I'm always undecided on this one but ,since Quarry beat Lyle, I must go with Joe.

 

Bugner was strong enough to stop Jose Luis Garcia faster than Norton did, if that means anything. Heh.

 

You've never watched a Lyle fight have you?

 

Of course Kamikaze brings up Foreman in a thread that has sfa to do with him, just to bash him. How much time does this child have on his hands?

 

I don’t mean he could box and move or to sit back and jab, I mean someone who could plant their feet, set up big punches using the jab and educated pressure, and could time opponents and implement their size, the only guy Frazier faced like that was Foreman.

 

what are you talking about man

 

Tell me you never watched Ron Lyle without telling me you've never watched Ron Lyle.

 

Just his typical nonsensical rant on Foreman.

His ability to bring up Foreman in threads that have nothing to do with him for the sole purpose of bashing him is unmatched.

Surprised he didn’t bring up his “Ossie Ocacio must be the GOAT” line.

Very boring and predictable poster.