Joe Frazier vs. Superheavyweights

Agree wholeheartedly. Frazier was an alltime great and was only overpowered by young Foreman. Against these guys or even an 1987-2000 Foreman, he wins by ko. :hat

 

3-1

Surprisingly, I favor Bowe to beat him the most due to his strong durability and great in-fighting. Lewis might win a boring hold jab affair but could get starked or lose in fight that turns into a scuffle. So if it isn't 3-1 it's 2-2. Both Klits lose.

If it's a 15 round fight, then Frazier's chances go up and he has the decent shot at going 4-0 although I wouldn't bet on it.

 

I was scratching my head already when i read 1-3.


Still, as much as i like Frazier, i think 1-3 sounds about right. And that's no shame, because there are few heavyweights who would have a winning record after facing those terrible 4.

 

3-1 or 4-0

Out points Bowe
KO's Wlad
Stops Vitali on cuts

Not sure about Lennox

 

He'd beat Vitali. Doesn't have the type of power anymore to really hurt Frazier, doesn't have the timing to catch him cleanly that often, and doesn't have the movement of a prime Ali. When he throws punches, he's hittable. He's attack or defense, one or the other, he doesn't do both at once.

He'd probably get to Wlad too. Wlad might have some success with his jab and straight right, his footwork has improved recently aswell. But I still don't feel he'd be able to get a prime Joe out of there. Wlad can hit hard but I'm not sure how often he'll throw power punches in the risk of getting caught. I think Frazier's activity and pressure will wear him down and his feet will start to become more and more routed to the canvas. When that happens, I think Joe peppers him at will with left-hooks and gets the KO.

The other's are tough calls. Bowe was durable with excellent inside skills, but hittable and I'm not sure - despite his very good uppercuts - he could deliver the type of power Foreman did from low and blow Frazier out. Therefore I'd pick Joe on points. Lewis is probably the toughest match up. Better jab and outside fighting skills, size, power, strength and more difficult to hit than Bowe. Difficult to call though I'd probably edge towards Lewis.

 

I favour him over both Klitschko bros and Bowe but feel Lennox would beat him

 

What d'you reckon Bowe's chances are of beating him? Also, who do you see having the greater success out of Wlad & Vitali?

 

When Joe took up boxing, he weighed over 240 pounds, and he was physically a powerhouse from years of back breaking labor. (He needed to lose weight because he was having trouble fitting his legs in his pants.) He was built differently from Tyson, but both had a compact powerhouse physique. (Even today, Joe's a thick, solid, compact block.)

The version of Frazier to consider is the 1969 to 1971 FOTC edition which came out of the Bonavena rematch. (It was only after he had those 15 grueling rounds of experience under his belt that he truly elevated himself to ATG caliber. As a result of that, Ziggy, Quarry, Ellis and Foster faced a monster in 1969 and 1970.)

Foreman was a freak, taking apart a diminished Smoke. The Klitschkos, Lennox and Bowe are huge, but they didn't have that kind of physical strength, or at least opted not to use it as freely.

Bowe would have met him on the inside. Riddick would go the distance, but nobody outhustled Joe on the inside for 12 or 15 rounds. I don't think Lennox or the Klitschkos had the aggression to win a decision over a peak Frazier, but would likely try to put some space between them. Joe would be after them, under them, and using their huge bodies as can't miss targets. Unless your name was Ali, you didn't win decisions over Smoke, and I like Joe over the distance against all of them.

 

I see Vitali as a taller version of Bonavena.This could get messy and a long night for Joe.

 

Frazier UD Bowe

Frazier TKO Vitali

Frazier KO Wlad

Lewis wins a Decision over Frazier

 

Bowes habit of fighting on the inside could work one of two ways here. It is worth noting that Eddie Futch picked Frazier to beat Bowe.

I think Lewis is going to be the big problem here.

 

Yeah? That was interesting.

 

If we are taking an absolutely prime Frazier and not the one that fought Ali II, III or Foreman I and II, then I must take an absolutely prime Bowe, Lewis, VK & WK.

i think all of them beat him.