Joe Frazier vs. Superheavyweights

I take a prime Joe. With Bowe giving him his hardest fight.

 

Comments like this astound me. No, Frazier did not " rip " Bonnevena twice. How can you say this? He barley escaped a KO loss and won via narrow decision in their first fight. If this fight was on the ten point must, I score it a draw.

 

KO% is amount of Ko's dived by total amount of fights. Not Ko's divided by wins. As I said before, Bonevenna was not monster puncher and field to stop all of the ranked contenders he fought. So says history.

How about knocked down percentage in total fights, In Frazier's case its 11 times floored in 37 fights?

Or Ko'd percentage. In Frazier's case its 3 times in 37 fights.

I'll venture to guess without doing any research, this math says Frazier is chinny vs punhers...and as I said before the only big one he really fought was Foreman....and guys like Mac Foster, Sonny Liston, Leotis Martin, Ernie Shavers, Ron Lyle, and Kenny Norton never meet Frazier. Hmmmm....I'm sure its all a coincidence as to why they never fought, even though at many times they were active and ranked in the same years.

 

He barely escaped a KO loss - Mendoza on Frazier vs. Bonevena I.

Laughing are we? Let's see Joe's own words!!!!!!

I'll tell you this. The knockdown wasn't what boxing people call a "flash knockdown" -- a knockdown that results from being hit while off balance and finds the fighter jumping right to his feet, clear-eyed and with a sheepish expression. Uh uh. Bonavena hurt me with that right hand, hurt me like I hadn't been hurt since Georgie Boy had sledgehammered me that first day in the PAL gym. I'd walked into Bonavena's right like an innocent who'd strayed into the war zone.


And when I hit the canvas it was as though I'd been awakened from a deep sleep. I was aware of my surroundings, and conscious of being in big damn trouble, as I got to my feet at the count of five and the referee, Mark Conn, gave me the mandatory eight count.

The challenge became to survive the round. But when Bonavena knocked me down a second time, pushing me more than punching me this time, it added to the pressure I was under. I was this close, now, to being beaten for the first time as a professional. . . .

With more than a minute left in the round, I did what I had to. I grabbed Bonavena and drew him to a clinch. He couldn't push me away quickly enough, desparate-crazy as he was to land that punch that would put me on the canvas a third and final time. But I had enough survivor's instincts to stall him while the lights came back on in my head.

Bonavena shoved and shouldered me, he pushed and pulled, and he swung wildly with both hands. But I stayed close to him, trying to smother his punching room. And when I could, I grabbed his arms and held him until the referee broke the clinch. By the end of the round I was clear-headed and fighting back.
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Nothing fancy went down that night. Neither of us was built for slick boxing. My game is, and always would be, punch and then punch some more, forever moving forward. Bonavena cooperated by being Bonavena. He stood there in his flat feet and sumo wrestler's stance, and was as mobile as a stanchion. That meant I didn't have a chance to chase him. We fought.
When the final bell rang, after ten rounds, the night's work came down to what Conn and the two judges had to say. . . .Joe Frazier.


>>>>Still laughing McGrain?

 

How come you make such a big deal of Frazier getting dropped and hurt (came back to win) yet Holmes (who was heavily dropped and hurt a number of times) is the best thing since sliced bread and such events need not even be mentioned or held against him? Not to mention Wlad's absolute axings.

 

My post was mean't to be sarcastic toward he grant's post. Read it again. I do not share his opinions. I personally consider Vitaly to be one of the top ten H2H heavyweights of all time in a time machine. I'm not a fan either.

 

There you go Mendoza ... you found your stablemate .. Vitali and all time top ten. Maybe Wlad is in there as well .. Valuev as well ...

 

It's pointless trying to poke fun at my thoughts. I'm one of the biggest 70s buffs there is, but I don't let it blind me from reality.

 

Yeah all 3 are in there in the height/weight department. Unforunately for the likes of Mendoza it doesn't work like that....dominating bums only impresses the moronic minority, thank God.

When you lose to Chris Turd and an Ageing, grey bearded submissive former great like Lewis, then you've pretty much scuppered your chances of ever being considered as an ATG heavy I'm afraid.

Still the fanboys can take some comfort from Joe Frazier not beating up his trainer to get to Ali for the final round, and claim some kind of victory from it...which I believe is the main point of this thread from Mendozas point of view :nut What next? Dissing Ali for being pulled out against Holmes?

 

Yeah, those Klits should fight more guys like Ramos, Stander or any of the other cruiserweights Frazier made his reputation on. Face it, it's a different era. 190 pounders don't maintain the highest ranks of the HW division any longer. Frazier never met an opponent with the skillset and assets of a Bowe, Lewis or either Klit. This is not to say he would necessarily lose, just to say it is willful ignorance to maintain his victory is a sure thing. The unabashed bias and pride in ignorance in these parts really has made this board less interesting with each passing day.

 

Oh sorry, it's 18 KO's out of 22 fights. You're still wrong. How are you going to sit here and throw out names like that? I didn't see them running to fight Frazier.

 

Mendoza, you've lost this arguement. You keep ignoring points that prove your whole arguement wrong. Just give it up already, this is ridiculous.

 

Frazier in a fantasy fight is speculation. You could argue either way.

My point is Frazier's chin vs punchers is suspect. I think I nailed that one, regardless of any man crush on Frazier you might have. The proof is on the films, and in his own words.

When a swarmer meets a puncher ( As Lewis, Klitschko and Bowe were ) he's usually a loser. In this fight Frazier gives up a ton of size, some versatility, and has the style disadvantage.