Joe Frazier vs. Superheavyweights

Likewise.

 

Good thing my brain and heart are in accord.

 

Agreed. I wouldn't stop at 1970 though, Frazier up to 1972 beats the living crap out of the likes of Bowe and both Klits...Lewis..not so sure but he'd be a live dog in that fight, depends which Lewis showed up. If it were the Lewis that fought Rahman or McCall or even Bruno then Frazier is the favourite.

For the 1967-1971 Frazier, Bowe, WALDO and VITLAY are dead men walking.

 

Which is why he set up a fight with arguably the hardest punching HW of all time.

Although, I credit you for a valid point. I think still there's some undermining here. But it's just a difference of opinion.

 

Frazier underestimated Foreman, a huge mistake.

 

Povetking, incorrect and incomplete argument.

1. What fighters management searched out punchers ?
2. Mathis was a lost cause ? Mathis was the top amateur heavyweight in the country and on his way to the Olympics. He was undefeated as a professional when he fought Frazier. He was 6' 3" boxer with a 77" reach, a fine jab, boxing ability, a good chin and very good speed. Both he and of course Ali were excellent prototypes of how Frazier would do against large boxers like the Klitsckos except Wlad and Vitaki are much slower.
3. Chin, wow. Wlad has a glas jab, has been ko'ed by subpar opposition like Purrity, Sanders and Brewster, badly dropped by Peters and badly rocked and dropped by DaVarryl Williamson (whom he never gave a rematch when winning on a strange technical loss) . Joe Frazier was stopped by George Foreman twice past his prime. The analogy is poor. Vitali has a much better chin than his brother but less over all talent.

Other than that I agree with you.

 

I'm not convinced that Bowe, Lennox, Wlad and Vitaly would see round 10 against a prime Joe Frazier. Forget about the Foreman fight. Any smart boxing fan knows that Joe was nowhere near his best against Foreman and still got up 6 times in 1973. In 1976, Frazier was practically finished after going to war for the third time against Ali in Manilla, yet still climbed into the ring against Foreman, and with a different strategy on depleted legs, managed to last five rounds wearing contact lenses, while landing a some good shots that kept Foreman honest. Big George mentioned this in repeated interviews after fighting Frazier, stating that he was most fearful of Frazier as opposed to any other heavyweight, both times they fought. Bowe, Lewis, and the Klitschkos are big targets that would be on the receiving end of prime Joe Frazier's hooks.

 

Correct.

A huge mistake he even admitted making, signing on for the fight in Jamaica. Futch always mentioned that Frazier didn't treat Foreman with the same respect to training he gave Ali, and partied way too much in the Jamaica camp.

 

i think fraziers left hook had a mind of its own, it was a thing of beuty. joe could throw it all night from any distance and was astonishingly accurate with it. joe bugner was a big,big guy albeit not a puncher but durable as they come and joes power and work rate got to him. the thing with frazier is his people were selective in opponents for him after the first ali fight that took a lot out of him. its unfair to judge frazier after his greatest win for this reson. I dont think george foreman got the best joe frazier. maybe frazier is like tyson he couldnt give away weight as well when he was older? the 67-71 frazier was a genuine force, i think that joe frazier ticks all the boxes against 9-10 super heavyweights. bowe, golota, bonecrusher smith both klitchkos no problem.

 

Mendoza?

 

Intersting , Mendoza in an alias ?

Ross did not flatten Wlad ... watch the tape ...

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Frazier ducked no one ... by big punchers if he means Shavers or Lyle, neither were top contenders in 73. By then he was only taking fights to reposition himself for title bouts or fights with Ali. He was also half blind and fighting with a disables left arm.

This PovetKing reeks something funny ...

 

Very true that win was a life changer fro him, to be honest that fight brought him sudden fame around the world....he never reached THAT form again