How does Joe Fraizer do vs Joe Joyce Deontay Wilder Anthony Joshua Tyson Fury Oleksandr Usyk Andy Ruiz
Joyce too big and robust, his constant long jab is something Frazier never faced. Wilder stays on the line after punching and would eat too many counter hooks. AJ too passive and slow, would look like the Franklyn fight except Joe would land more, don`t know if Joe would have the size to take the shots Franklyn took though.
Usyk would out-box Joe in an actio packed fight, his southpaw style would be to cute for Joe, nobody Joe`s size could beat Usyk, he`s too good. Ruiz could be Joe because he`s heavier has fast combos and is more two-fisted than Joe was.
That's what im wondering with Frazier and Joshua. How does Joe Fraziers chin hold up. On the flip side how does Joshuas gas tank hold up?
I think he definitely beats Ruiz and current AJ. Wilder and Usyk are 50/50 simply because of style match ups. I think he loses to Fury and I need to see a bit more of Joyce but I'm thinking he'd be a tough guy to come straight at. You really need to factor in the style of the opponent with hypothetical Frazier fights, more so than any other ATG.
I'll take it a step further. Unless the line was way off, I'd eagerly bet on Ruiz and AJ. In today's HW world Frazier is a very small 5'11" 205+lb. Joe was slow starter. As he was rising in the ranks, clumsy but strong Bonavena almost stopped JF. Ruiz & AJ might stop Joe. The other 4 either comfy UD or KO Joe. His trilogy vs. Ali makes almost the entirety of Joe's career. 6'3" Foreman pole axed him 2X. Foreman is slightly faster than Joyce but smaller. One, just one clean right from DW and Joe might get up once to be stopped soon after. If Joe thought Ali used excessive holding tactics, he'd be in with a huge octopus in Fury. A motivated Fury could so as he pleased w/Frazier. Box at a distance, smother w/his weight, etc. Fury stopping JF late wouldn't surprise me. Besides going 1-2 w/ Ali what did he accomplish? All off the top of my head so I might have a mistake. 0-2 vs. Foreman. He beat Ellis & QW Quarry 2X. Two of his defenses were vs. CW T Daniels and skilled bouncer R Stander. Joe beat B Mathis... so did Quarry. I've posted it many times in this forum in different words. The nostalgic worship of half a century ago HWs is nauseating. Joe was a good man, better than his famed rival, and one of the best in his era. He couldn't compete with recent to current top HWs. PS I wish these would get moved to the Classic section. Allow going back 20-25 years but for crying out loud there needs to be some statute of limitations from the General to the Classic.
Hed be bounced around by Fury like Foreman did. Styles make fights, Frazier beat who in my opinion is the best fighter of all time, the only one better than all mighty Sugar Ray Robinson. BUT, George Foreman demonstrated Frazier, if at least the post Ali 1 Frazier, had trouble against big heavy-handed boxers. Tyson Fury, who by no means is better than Muhammad Ali talentwise, would handle him the same way Foreman did.
