Joe frazier vs Tommy Morrison

UncleTermite you can make a respectable argument in your direction.
Mendoza has a reasonable middle pisition, though i would favor Frazier.

A few things though: as per your arguments-I have watched the highlight reels of both. I think Frazier is faster, though Morrison hits harder.

IAnd Frazier took Foreman's punches for 5 rounds in their 2nd fight, when even MORE past prime.

Also lots of folks were former LHWs, Ali was in his whole amateur & Olympic career. Bonavena fought Frazier as a bulky natural HW for his time & punched hard. And Frazier was not in his prime yet.

But MUCH more importantly: you AVOIDED the spoecifics of my argument that supported my main THEME, that was impossible tp miss: unmistakeable evidence of your bias towards the newer fighters.

i did not even MENTION Frazier's advantage in endurance, & am fine if you have a different opinion. I think Morrison would be more vulnerable to Frazier than Foreman, but reasonable minds can disagree.

BUT you completely skipped, "spiritually bipassed', the Heart of my argument.

Again, it is absurd to list each fighter's strengths & credit Tommy with 3X more of them.

And LEAVE out Frazier's:
Heart.
Bob & weave defense.
Superior work rate

And at least credit Frazier's hand speed as a strength, regardless of who you feel is faster.
Frazier beat many guys even past his prime largely due to ogetting off first, including \with infighting, & at his best landed well coming in too.

You are also flat out wrong that heavier equals harder punches.
There is a TENDENCY for this to be true, with diminishing or no returns at HW sizes.

And an ordinary man, or even one who started training hard for years, would rarely hit as hard as a real boxer at the same weight.
There is a strong natural/genetic aspect to it.


Once more, with Feeling: consider WHY you left out many of Frazier's irrefutable major strengths.
Please do not regress to arguing with me that Morrison could win.
He could, we differ if that is the most LIKELY scenario...


But your thought process is my challenge to you, not how you weigh the evidence.

 

Frazier easily.

 

Give me Joe here, clearly.

People may be under the false impression I don't like Frazier given that I've been picking against him lately, but I call it like I see it- while it'd be an entertaining war, I see Frazier wearing Morrison down by about the 7th once he gets going.

 

My money is on Frazier.

:think

 

What's happening on here? Frazier and Foreman are starting to be seen as inept bums given the nature of some of these posts. Where does that leave Ali, whose reputation is built upon these two men?

 

Frazier like Marciano is IMHO a fighter that captured all that is great about the human fighting spirit. A man who stood against the odds.

You know reading this thread and thinking about the Morrison who fought Mercer rounds 1-4. Frazier was no where as big, durable or as strong as Ray though he has his strengths in stamina, heart, quick handed and Frazier had good right hand power and I believe knocked out fighters with it. Frazier known for the hook but was more of a two handed fighter than given credit for see the prime Frazier.

Frazier does not survive the shellacking Morrison put on Mercer but does have the power and stamina to beat Morrison into submission once he gets out of those 4-5 rounds.

Interesting fight what we are talking about was a 6'2" 225-230 lb modern skilled powerhouse with a shaky chin and suffered from stamina and a small heavyweight ATG with all the characteristics of Marciano in size, stamina and willpower.

The real question is could Frazier survive his speed, power and ability to take him into deep water?? I think it fair to say Morrison hit harder than Bonavena.

The fight proposition itself is interesting.

Personally I think it ends either early for Morrison or mid to late for Frazier.

 

Frazier by tko.

 

Is this a trick question or something ??? seriously comparing Morrison to the far greater Frazier ???? hmmmmmmm Frazier is sent to jail for murder, Morrison is a nobody in comparison and a lamb ready for the slaughter even when Joe is past his prime he kills da bum.

 

Oh deary me now morrison is better than a prime Tyson and old Foreman who can't beat small Evander and loses to this Morrison bum is better than the Foreman who blows away Norton and frazier in an instant ?....... Morrison must be the greatest fighter in history eh bro.
Where in hell did they dig you up from.......... Troll alert.

 

I second the motion.... motion passed

 

He did fight a super heavyweight puncher more than once, Foreman who is perhaps the biggest puncher of all time, he destroyed Joe twice so there goes your claim there, Morrison I don't actually think is a bum, only when compared to Joe he looks like one, Morrison beat a very old Foreman who had none of his old speed. If Morrison fought the Foreman who walks over Norton's near dead body Morrison gets knocked cold in less than a minute into the first round. get another job mate, you just ain't an authority in this sport. :deal

 

You have to take some of it on here with a pinch of salt Vince, sometimes a good couple of dollops in fact...............