Joe Frazier vs. Wladimir Klitschko

If it affects his record then it does matter because that "win" is changed to a NC.

The decision got reversed so it's not a win, it's a NC. If anyone should care it should be Tyson. Y'all act like I'm making this stuff up.

"Oct. 20, 2000 - Tyson defeats

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. After the fight, Tyson is forced to submit a urine sample, which tests positive for marijuana. Michigan commission changes result to a No Contest."

http://boxing.about.com/od/records/a/tyson_timeline_4.htm

I love Mike but he has himself to blame for this.

 

:good People wrongly asume frazier was near his best against foreman. Against foreman frazier was basicly geting his jaw tested for the first time since the ali fight which IMO finished smoke's resistance anyway. Frazier may have won TFOTC but it finished him. his people knew it too, they tried never to match him with a puncher for as long as they could. After losing the title Bugner was carefuly selected and ellis, ali and quary he had beat before. Peak frazier had a beter chin. He survived good shots from bonavena (only guy to deck chuvalo), quarry, foster and the thousand or so punches ali hit him with. even against foreman joe kept geting up.

 

I didn't see VITLAY protest too much when his corner closed the show against Byrd either. He also never protested when the Lewis fight was stopped - until he knew it was safe to :yep

(once he knew the bad man couldn't possibly hit him any more, I mean)

 

You're right, Kal! I don't think I've seen either in years (no real reason too) but now that I see that again, it looks like Tyson didn't even know what he was doing. Like he had everything else kind of phased out. He looked like they were waking him up almost when he finally stopped. ...I would hate to be inside that guy's head for a night. I just looked at the tail end of the Golota fight. I definitely got them mixed up. A whole other kettle of crazy on that one. :verysad

 

HOw do you know thier toughness or heart they have never had to

 

Hilarious :rofl:rofl:rofl:rofl:rofl

I only hope you intended it that way. Tysons competition owns WALDOS every day of the week and twice on Sunday.

 

Gotta go with my boii Smoking Joe.

 

I take Wlad via late stoppage (10th round). Here's why:

Anyone in their right mind know knows that Joe can't box w/ Wlad from the outside.

Hence, Joe has to get inside. Joe needs to go to the body and try to wear Wlad out. Wlad has been prone to some stamina problems especially if this is a 15 rounder.

There are three reasons I think Joe will not be able to get inside:

1) Wlad has a lethal left hook which he can be 6 inches away from his opponent and KO them. See the Charles Shufford fight. If Wlad lands this on Joe I see Joe being extra cautious from then on (that's if Joe doesn't get knocked out from the first one). That means Joe will be fighting from the outside most of the fight.

2) Wlad has strategically developed his clinch and uses it to his advantage. How so? He uses his weight to sap energy out of his opponent by putting his weight on them. He sometimes will lean on the backs of his opponent (yea i know this is illegal, but effective). Wlad can easily control frazier by using his 30+ pound weight advantage in tiring joe.

3) Wlad just knocked out Sam Peter with an uppercut (A guy that has a very good chin). Joe being 5'11 is going to be susceptible to this punch and Manny and Wlad will work on this.

***Above all is the fact that Wlad is a relatively very accurate puncher***

I believe Joe will try to get inside. but he is going to get hit with something whether it be an uppercut, left hook, or even a straight right while coming in.

I think Joe is going to have to hit Wlad several times to worry him while I think Wlad can hit Joe once and Joe's whole night may be messed up.

 

Frazier stops him for sure.

 

You're missing my point. Tyson won the fight on the day. The fact that he tested positive for weed is irrelevant except to the commission. Yes, it goes down as a no contest on his record, but tyson did beat Golota in 2 rounds. Therefore, even though Tyson wasn't given the win, he still beat Golota.

 

Too many are thinking of the height difference but I feel it will work in Frazier's advantage ... Wlad will really have to reach down to hit him ... he will have to keep a very hectic page to keep him off .. Joe was able to do pretty well against the rech of a much faster, far better conditioned Ali so I see him getting through and destroying that body .. I like Joe ... he exposes Wlad's stamina issue if he cannot control the pace and his chin ..

 

At once he beat him but that still isn't considered a "win" as of know because the result got reversed. Don't mind me man I'm just frustrated that he had that fight in the bag yet he screwed himself by testing positive for weed.

 

You shouldn't feel that way about that fight in my opinion. Everyone knows he won the fight. Just because a piece of paper says NC doesn't mean he didn't win. If he took steroids then it would be a different story but weed would add nothing positive to his performance.

 

Has either Klitschko been in a war, pushed to the extreme limits of a fight by his opponent? You are right, they never had to, but anyone who quits against Chris Byrd IMO, doesn't exactly qualify as having the guts to finish a fight.

 

Frazier takes it. If Peter was just a half step quicker the fight would of become very, very interesting. Frazier is 5x quicker than Peter (Frazier's handspeed gets all too often under rated)

Also, Peters suddenly adopted head movement was laughable but yet it worked to a certain extent early on in avoiding Wlad's vaunted jab. Smokin' Joe Frazier had superb head movement and was a master at slipping jabs. Just not a good matchup for poor Wlad, although I do have some questions/doubts about Frazier against big opponents.

Wlad's best chance is to try to blitz Joe early and throw uppercuts, uppercuts, uppercuts, and more uppercuts.