Joe Frazier: Where Do You Rate Him?

to put liston above men like foreman,jack jonhson,jim jefries,marciano,frazier or holyfield is simply stupid and ridiculous.
liston did beat just a great fighter but 188 pounder and with weak chin floyd patterson and cleveland williams(not a great thing). end of the history

 

You OVERATED Tyson IMO - . Walcot , Patterson AND Schmeling are all Greater fo shizzle. :deal


Foreman Hoooooook! :smoke

 

Frazier's win is quite clearly better. Absolutely.

But he was at his peak and Ali was past his prime. Holyfield was just as past his prime as Tyson and beat him more decisively. That's why I don't think there's light years between these wins. But I do rate Tyson higher than you do on the other hand.

 

Tyson was PRIME! He only a young 29 yrs old FFS!! He had ALL of his SPEED, head-movement, combos And power left IMO. He looked V.good VS Manthis And looked his BEST ever in Bruno2 fight And 33/1 Fav at teh bookies.

Holyfeild was 34 yrs Old And 5 yrs Past-Prime, lost his foot-work And speed, Old Vander got nastly out-boxed by Mikey Moorer in 1994 AND KTFO by flabby no-training, Bowe in 1995. :deal


Foreman Hooooook!:smoke

 

Outside of the top ten.

for me:

1.Louis
2.Ali
3.Holmes
4.Johnson
5.Foreman
6.Lewis
7.Dempsey
8.Liston
9.Marciano
10.Tyson
11.Frazier
12.Tunney
13.Walcott
14.Charles
15.Patterson

 

What are your criterias?

 

Number 6 for me

 

A combination of accomplishments, opposition, H2H ability and how much I like the fighter.

 

I think Holyfield was possibly MORE past his best than Tyson was, but that in no way make his win any closer to beating an undefeated Muhammad Ali the way Frazier did.

Frazier's win was clear enough, against an undefeated and truly great opponent. Yes, Holyfield knocked Tyson into next week, but Tyson had been KO'd before.
In terms of quality, Ali was light years better than Tyson, and Frazier's performance was easily as impressive as Holyfield's.

Yes, you're right, you must be rating Tyson considerably higher than I do.

 

I love joe frazier, he was without doubt an atg and based exclusivly on his 67-71 peak a genuine top 10 all time great. my overall rating on frazier unfortunatly includes the rest of his career that was also at the top level. here he sits at #18 according to my system of rating fighters cheifly on their record in linear title/key fights.


1.louis
2.ali
3.marciano
4dempsey
5holmes
6johnson
7lennox lewis
8hollyfield
9foreman
10tyson
11 baer
12jeffries
13 schmeling
14liston
15patterson
16charles
17wallcot
18frazier
19ingo johanason
20primo carnera
21buster douglas
22gene tunney
23bowe
24 willard
25 sharkey
26 rahman
27 tommy burns
28 moorer
29 mike spinks
30 braddock
31` leon spinks
32 shannon briggs

 

What a shitty list

 

well h2h i think joe ends up very high. prime ali is to good for him also foreman and liston are two guys joe would never beat. but bowe and marciano an dempsey and holyfield and the klitschko's i see them all loose to joe. holmes i would favour over joe. lewis and tyson i'd say 50/50

 

One criteria on which Frazier rates verry high, is the worst opponent ever to beat him e.g. Foreman and Ali.

The only lineal champions that can compare to this, even excluding losses verry early or late in thie careers are:

Jeffries
Marciano (by default)

I think thats it.