Joe Frazier ,Wins The F.O.T.C, how did it decline from there ?

wars of attrition tend to take something out of a fighter. Couple that with joe resting on his laurels somewhat after the Ali victory and thats about the size of it

 

Don Turner? He did a great job for Holyfield didnt he? Persuaded Evander he didn't need a cut man,telling him that they were a con and an unnecessary expense.What happened? Evander got cut against Moorer and Turner couldn't stop the bleeding.Turner is full of it!

 

"resting on his laurels somewhat" For two years he never defended against a ranked contender!

 

You think Eddie Futch knew Frazier took a tremendous beating against Ali, the kind that lasts, and wanted to protect him? Like Mickey in the Rocky movies.? And Instead of Mr. T ,eventually he Joe fought George Foreman.

 

That's probably about the size of it.

 

You still love that guy.

 

I've no time for him.Nor had Emmanuel Steward.

 

There are a million “great trainers” the only difference between the ones we don’t get to hear about and the ones regarded “all time” great trainers (worth hanging onto every word they say) is that most of the “all time” ones were great hustlers too. And that includes Steward. I met Manny and that guy could talk all day, with an answer for everything and everyone. Millions of trainers are just as knowledgeable. What makes most of the special ones special is that are great salesmen. They really sell what they do much better than anyone else. You don’t like Don because Manny didn’t like Don. Both guys got the best out of the guys they trained and that’s all they had to do.

 

Rubbish.
I don't like Turner because he talks absolute ****
eg
You can't overtrain.Archie Moore disagrees
Cut men are a con.We saw the results of that pearl of wisdom when he convinced Holyfield to dispense with his cut man.
Ward is an average fighter.No comment necessary'
Marciano is the hardest puncher I ever seen .When did you see him fight live?
Goldman trained me This doesn't add up chronologically.
I trained Wlad,Vitali ,Kovalev ,McCallum ,and just about everybody else!How come you aren't on their resumes?
Mayweather would be a 6 rounds fighter back in my day. Nonsense
Marciano would ko both the Klits in one night.
Hook & Jab pads are useless.
That just for starters.


Who did Turner get the best out of, let's have some names?
He is full of it!

 

Yeah Dons a hustler, they all are to some extent.

 

Don technically did train both of the Klitschko brothers, but not for very long and he did work with Kovalev, but Kovalev doesn't seem to be trainable.

In 2003, Klitschko was shuffling through trainers, having rotated Freddie Roach, Don Turner and Fritz Sdunek (among others) through his corner. Steward was with Lewis, but a few months after Lewis beat Wladimir's brother, Vitali, he elected to retire. Around that time Klitschko's manager, Bernd Boente, suggested Klitschko give Steward a call.
https://www.si.com/more-sports/2012/03/01/klitschko-steward

 

Turner carried the bucket in Kovalev's corner.

 

The thing all famous trainers have in common is that they get to work with a lot of already great fighters. And the more great fighters they work with the more demand they create for their services.

It’s always worth having guys around who worked with great fighters. And that must be why Don Turner, Manny Steward, Angelo Dundee, Freddie Roach and many others were in such high demand.

For one fight Larry Holmes had both Ray Arcel and Eddie Futch in his corner. I think Ray carried the bucket and Eddie held the sponge.

It dosnt mean they were not great trainers.

 

I think he is saying that you cannot give him TURNER credit for Kovalev’s achievements because he played a small role, if any, in his development.

 

Sure Turner hardly plays a role for Kovalev. but that is true of a lot of great trainers isn’t it? Point is, Don was probably invited along because of his experience and the respect he has in the sport.