Joe Frazier Would Get countered to Death vs Ruiz Jr

One war , one victory hahaha

 

You've never seen Frazier fight, have you ?

That man would brutally murder Ruiz.

 

Doubt it. With the same amount of fat as Ruiz, Fraizer would’ve easily been 240+ lbs. And if the corpse of Lyakhyovich who was coming off of a stoppage loss to featherfisted Jennings(and got almost killed by Wilder before that) was abla to put up a close fight with Ruiz without ever being in serious trouble, I’m pretty sure Fraizer would do more than hold his own.

 

In fairness, I have only seen Ruiz fight once live (not in person) and a few times on tape. He looked pretty good against a highly flawed AJ but it’s foolish to draw too many conclusions from such a small sample size. I understand there are many people who have seen most or all of his fights. They are probably on YouTube if someone cares to look.

Smoking Joe Frazier was one of my all time favorite fighters growing up. He was smaller than his opponents in the HW ranks and had one of the best left hooks in boxing. Also, his constant head movement made him very hard to hit. He was always moving and if you look closely, he slipped a lot of punches that looked like they hit him. When opponents would try to jab him, he would slip the punch and close distance and make them PAY with his devastating hooks. Don’t forget, in the golden era of heavyweight fighters, Joe only lost to Ali and Foreman. He was the first guy to beat Ali in his prime, and gave Ali all he could handle. Frazier’s left hook was deadly, quick and very difficult to see coming. His constant pressure would wear guys down as well, in an era of 15 round championship fights.

Ruiz is good but comparing him to a true great like Frazier is insulting to the memory of a great man. In a fifteen round fight, Joe would take Fatboy into the deep waters and drown him. All that padding around Ruiz’s midsection wouldn’t be enough to withstand the body shots he’d receive from Smokin Joe. The Frazier who beat prime Ali, would crush Ruiz. It would be one of Joe’s easiest victories. Yes, I’m biased and admit that I got a little choked up when I got the news if Joe’s passing.

The thought of a guy with one victory against a deeply flawed opponent beating a true legend like Joe Frazier makes me laugh.

 

Go ask sumos if fat doesn’t count. He’s still stronger because of it. And fat doesn’t weight much, so he still has more muscle than Frazier.

Stop reaching with the Liakovich fight. He didn’t train but has more serious conditioning now.

 

I fail to see any similarities between boxing and sumo. Ruiz’ punches are slower, he struggles to gain leverage from his waists for his punches because of all the fat, and he has low workrate which costed him the fight against Parker.

And fat does indeed weigh much. Mike Perez was in much better shape at 240 lbs than Ruiz is at 260 lbs and Perez made cruiserweight. Ruiz would be around 210-220 lbs if he was in good shape and would definetly be a better fighter.

Sorry, I can’t pretend like the Lyakhyovich fight didn’t happen. But if you want a more recent example, you can take a look at the Kevin Johnson fight, another ancient fighter whom Ruiz looked limited against.

 

It seems like Ruiz somehow hurt your feelings. He ate Joshua’s punches, walked him down, and made quit. His 2019 game is better than before, which he showed against Dimitrenko too.

You’re speaking as if he’s some sort of prospect. The jury isn’t out anymore. Perez was a fat alcoholic and far more passive and glassy than Ruiz. He was mediocre at heavy and cruiser.

 

Seems to me like you are too emotionally attached to Ruiz, getting defensive with a simple criticism. He’s a very inconsistent operator, so the jury will be out on him until the rematch. I’m picking Joshua to win the rematch, but I don’t mind being proven wrong on that.

I didn’t say anything about the levels of Ruiz and Perez, just compared them size-wise.

 

Perez was a small poorly conditioned heavyweight. Ruiz is a legit heavy and his size and style would be a nightmare for Frazier.

 

Ye but because he's 85% body fat

 

I think so also. Frazier was very skilled and had that jackhammer left hook. That thing could drop an elephant.

 

I’ll dispute something straight off the bat.....Frazier is no where near 6’ft

 

Perez was definetly in better shape at heavy than Ruiz is now. I don’t think he’s really bigger than Fraizer, but agree to disagree.

 

No, you just haven’t been around enough Mexicans and we’ll leave it at that.

 

Frazier was a master inside fighter. He came from a time and place where fighting chest to chest and shoulder to shoulder was an art form and he was among the best at it.

If he can get inside and make it an inside fight he beats AJ.

If AJ can keep the fight a long range, he beats Frazier.

AJ is not that mobile. Unless AJ is in roid mode and can catch Frazier coming in and hurt him Frazier mauls AJ on the inside.

Most of the fight would see Fraziers head on AJs chest while he hammers to the body and negates AJs advantages.

AJ is not that mobil . Hes not going to dance away. He has to catch Frazier coming in and do serious damage. Foreman did it. AJ might be able to, especially if the fight is in England and hes allowed to juice. AJ has to catch him from the onset or Frazier gets inside and makes him his little girl.

I'd predict AJ wouldnt catch him coming in enough to keep Frazier off of him. It would look like a mugging on the inside.

Frazier, as a smaller heavyweight and a gym rat, had very good 15 round endurance. He'd be in Jishuas "safe space' for 12 rounds exerting close in pressure and damage. I dont think AJ would stand up to that pressure.

Once again, if AJ doesnt catch Frazier with something big coming in early, it would go Fraziers way.

Good outside man vs great inside man.