Joe Frazier would not have had a chance against Jim Jeffries...

cross_trainer · Nov 6, 2011

As expected, this thread has devolved into a pro- and anti-Jeffries battle royale.

I agree with the main point of this thread: boxing is not primarily an "athleticism" sport. Technique, experience and an individual fighter's character play much larger roles in boxing than they do in just about any other sport. Joe Frazier wasn't an "athlete". He was a fighter.

So...the people arguing that Ali (or Klitschko, or whoever) might have been able to run/swim faster than Jeffries are completely missing the point. It would actually reinforce Janitor's point: Ali could probably also beat Frazier in most sports. Doesn't matter. Frazier beat Ali in boxing, and he probably would have beaten Klitschko too...unless Wlad used his superior "athleticism" to jump into a river and swim away.

MRBILL · Nov 6, 2011

Well, I'm a Jimmy Jeff ass-crack sniffer, so I know he was a bad mother as champ from 1899-1905, but if a prime-time Jeff was facing a 1971 Joe Frazier in a time machine, it would be a brutal war of attrition...

It all depends on who gets off first early on.... I think Jeff could hurt, stagger and stop Frazier early on if he nails his ass good and hard with some key punches... If he can't do it early, Frazier might warm up and get smokin' and get Jeff later on...

Who really knows? I like the match-up though....

MR.BILL:bbb

Boxed Ears · Nov 6, 2011

cross_trainer said: ↑

As expected, this thread has devolved into a pro- and anti-Jeffries battle royale.

I agree with the main point of this thread: boxing is not primarily an "athleticism" sport. Technique, experience and an individual fighter's character play much larger roles in boxing than they do in just about any other sport. Joe Frazier wasn't an "athlete". He was a fighter.

So...the people arguing that Ali (or Klitschko, or whoever) might have been able to run/swim faster than Jeffries are completely missing the point. It would actually reinforce Janitor's point: Ali could probably also beat Frazier in most sports. Doesn't matter. Frazier beat Ali in boxing, and he probably would have beaten Klitschko too...
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You sunuvabitch, Cross. :twisted: Thanks for completely ruining Cintron's surprise strategy for Canelo! atsch:fire

mcvey · Nov 7, 2011

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PowerPuncher said: ↑

But Jeffries was not slow. He was fast in his prime and had an uncanny ability to judge distances.

You cannot simply dismiss any contemporary account that does not agree with your position. There is significant evidence that Jeffries was an incredible all round athlete.

It is hard to be sure how hard Jeffries hit, but I don't think that anybody considered him a light puncher.
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Jeffries sprint times are likely "embroidered" this does not mean he was not a fast runner over short distances. It also does not mean he translated that ability into the ring. I ran 100m and 220 at college representing both my school and college yet my chief fault in the ring was slow feet. Ali is probably the fleetest of foot among the heavychamps,his sprint times were abysmal.
Being an" incredible athlete "does not make you favourite in a head to head boxing match,otherwise Daley Thompson,Jim Thorpe etc would proably have ventured between the ropes.

Jeffries v Frazier ? Intruiging fight, Frazier was probably faster,Jeffries the more durable. Power? Possibly about equal. Jeffries seemd to have trouble with busy all action fighters,he said Sharkey bothered him because of his movement and constant aggression,strange really because I should have thought Sailor Tom would have suited him down to the ground.:huh

Frazier would have 25lbs on Sharkey and, had far better head movement.

Jeffries may not have been a top tier banger, but he hit hard enough,and his power was in both hands.

Would Frazier be able to rip those hooks into Jeffries crouching, teak torso? And,if he did ,would they have the desired effect?
Fitz wheezed as Jeffries pounded him," lord Jim,you've got the hardest belly I ever hit",and Fitz was a noted " body killer."

Jeffries used to mark up badly in fights ,obviously the smaller gloves were a contributing factor, but he seldom came out of a fight with a good fighter without shipping facial damage.

Frazier seldom cut, but his skin tissue would swell..The rules and conditions of this fight might be crucial to the outcome.

I haven't picked a winner , but I think either are quite capable of having their hand hoisted aloft at the end.
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bodhi · Nov 7, 2011

Seamus said: ↑

Carl "The Harlem Protege" Bryznowski

Better than LeBron.

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Quite likely that his team beats LeBron based on how "King" James always crumbles under pressure. :yep

cross_trainer said: ↑

As expected, this thread has devolved into a pro- and anti-Jeffries battle royale.

I agree with the main point of this thread: boxing is not primarily an "athleticism" sport. Technique, experience and an individual fighter's character play much larger roles in boxing than they do in just about any other sport. Joe Frazier wasn't an "athlete". He was a fighter.

So...the people arguing that Ali (or Klitschko, or whoever) might have been able to run/swim faster than Jeffries are completely missing the point. It would actually reinforce Janitor's point: Ali could probably also beat Frazier in most sports. Doesn't matter. Frazier beat Ali in boxing, and he probably would have beaten Klitschko too...unless Wlad used his superior "athleticism" to jump into a river and swim away.
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I agree here. Would argue the same for climbing though.

mcvey said: ↑

Jeffries sprint times are likely "embroidered" this does not mean he was not a fast runner over short distances. It also does not mean he translated that ability into the ring. I ran 100m and 220 at college representing both my school and college yet my chief fault in the ring was slow feet. Ali is probably the fleetest of foot among the heavychamps,his sprint times were abysmal.
Being an" incredible athlete "does not make you favourite in a head to head boxing match,otherwise Daley Thompson,Jim Thorpe etc would proably have ventured between the ropes.

Jeffries v Frazier ? Intruiging fight, Frazier was probably faster,Jeffries the more durable. Power? Possibly about equal. Jeffries seemd to have trouble with busy all action fighters,he said Sharkey bothered him because of his movement and constant aggression,strange really because I should have thought Sailor Tom would have suited him down to the ground.:huh

Frazier would have 25lbs on Sharkey and, had far better head movement.

Jeffries may not have been a top tier banger, but he hit hard enough,and his power was in both hands.

Would Frazier be able to rip those hooks into Jeffries crouching, teak torso? And,if he did ,would they have the desired effect?
Fitz wheezed as Jeffries pounded him," lord Jim,you've got the hardest belly I ever hit",and Fitz was a noted " body killer."

Jeffries used to mark up badly in fights ,obviously the smaller gloves were a contributing factor, but he seldom came out of a fight with a good fighter without shipping facial damage.

Frazier seldom cut, but his skin tissue would swell..The rules and conditions of this fight might be crucial to the outcome.

I haven't picked a winner , but I think either are quite capable of having their hand hoisted aloft at the end.
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Good post. I think the outcome depends on the rules. Under Jeff´s with a fight to the finish I´d pick Jeffies. Under Frazier´s I pick Frazier by TKO in the mid/late rounds. I also think Frazie has a better chance of beating Jeffries nder his rules than the othe way around. I rank Jeff a bit higher though.

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