Joe Gans speaking on Young Griffo

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  1. doug.ie

    doug.ie 'Classic Boxing Society' Full Member

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    Joe Gans, speaking on Young Griffo...as quoted by the Washington Post on July 9, 1899 -

    “I’ll never forget my experience in the ring with that Kid Griffo. We met in the ring at the Olympic Club at Athens, Pa., and it was agreed that we were to divide the purse, win or lose. I trained for three weeks for the bout, and when I got a flash at Griffo in his corner I noticed that a fold of fat wobbled over his belt. He was in fit condition for a sanitarium instead of a prize ring, and I told Herford [Al Herford, Joe Gans' manager] that I would make short work of the Australian phenom, as they called him. We were to go fifteen rounds, and I thought I could do Griff in about three punches at the wind. I had an idea that he would keep away from me, but that’s where he fooled me. You would naturally think that a man in his condition would steer away from a punch, but he crowded me from the first tap of the gong.

    “He clearly outboxed me, but every time he tapped me I smiled at him. ‘See here, old chap,’ he said, ‘I’m out for a draw, and don’t get awfully rude with me because I ‘av a bloomink pain in me stomach and if you slam me once in the body it will be all off. So don’t get rude, and be a gentleman.’ I tried my prettiest to bore a stomach punch into him, but I only caught him on the glove at every trial, and then I switched my tactics and tried for his jaw, but he was inside of me at every punch, and when I led he stepped inside and showered a rain of taps with both hands. He had me tired once, I will admit, and it looked to me as if every one in the crowd was throwing boxing gloves at me. It’s a pity that a boxer of his talent never took care of himself, as he was the greatest defensive boxer that ever lived, and the most peculiar feature of his defense was that he was up and at the opponent all the time, fighting close on the inside of the guard. They talk about Fitzsimmons as a fighting machine, but as a mechanical boxer Fitz never classed with Griffo.”
     
  2. mcvey

    mcvey VIP Member Full Member

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    Pure gold!
     
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  3. burt bienstock

    burt bienstock Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Great Article D... In the 1920s my dad a cab driver would see a fat old man sleeping on the doorsteps of a theatre on BWY NYC in cold weather. It was an old Young Griffo living outside and waiting for handouts...He was an alcoholic...So sad as he was the "original "
    Will of the Wisp...I always wondered the outcome of a match between Young Griffo and Willie Pep, both in their primes ?...
     
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  4. doug.ie

    doug.ie 'Classic Boxing Society' Full Member

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    A knock on the Hotel door. Les opens it. It is the young hotel porter, a painfully thin Negro, and he is deeply sorry suh, but there is someone downstairs who is insisting on seeing Mistuh Darcy. Sez he is an Oss-tralian, too. And he used to be a boxer. The thing is, Mistuh Darcy, it is difficult to know much of him, ‘cos he might be drunk, but he sez his name is ‘Griff’, ‘Griffa’, sum’n like that?

    Young Griffo? The boxing hero of Australia, who had left home shores in 1893 never to return? Great! Show him up! But Mistuh Darcy, he very drunk, not too good dressed, terrible, rotten, black teeth, and thuh hotel probably wouldn’t want likes of him in the building… Fine, but please get him!

    And so the young porter does, returning shortly afterwards and furtively pushing a fat old drunk man into Mistuh Darcy’s room before skedaddling. He is going to catch hell from management, if they find out.

    And so there they are, Les Darcy and Young Griffo—each a hero before heading to America to seek their international fame and fortune—meeting in a New York hotel room in the early days of 1917.

    They talk.

    The fact that ‘Young Griffo’ is no longer young is obvious, as is the fact that the young porter hadn’t been exaggerating in his description. Griffo’s teeth are terrible, he reeks of alcohol, and is evidently doing it very tough indeed. These days one of his tricks to get more alcohol is to take a handkerchief into a bar, stand on it and bet someone that they can’t lay a single punch on him for a whole minute while he doesn’t take a step off the hankie, but simply dodges and ducks all their blows! No, he couldn’t win a real fight in the ring these days, but by God he can still keep himself in grog.

    They laugh and talk. Les is delighted to meet this Australian legend, and later tips the porter a quarter, telling the disbelieving young man that the ‘fat old alko’—as the porter would later describe Griffo, whom he brought up to Les’s room—was once one of the greatest featherweight boxers of them all.

    (Peter Fitzsimons)
     
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  5. Bukkake

    Bukkake Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Brilliant stuff!
     
  6. doug.ie

    doug.ie 'Classic Boxing Society' Full Member

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    here are a handful of original newspaper clippings on griffos death that i uploaded to the blog.

    it would be much more appropriate to just put the articles in the thread rather than directing people to the blog...but this forum won't let me embed images in posts.

    click on each clipping for a larger, more readable image...

    http://classicboxingsociety.blogspot.com/2015/02/1922.html
     
  7. gregluland

    gregluland Boxing Addict Full Member

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    I have maintained for ages that Griffo was the best defensive boxer of all time and I have been lambasted by some over saying it yet as you can see I didn't pluck the idea out of thin air, Gans is an authority on him and he is far from the only one who said he was the best....... No one said he was the GOAT all round but clearly if he didn't drink and took training seriously this man would in fact be the GOAT p4p and in two divisions for certain, it was a purely natural born talent only slightly shaped by Larry Foley who seems to have helped toughen up Griffo by going hard on him in sparring but even Foley said there was little need to teach him anything as he already seemed to know it all anyway.
     
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  8. Perry

    Perry Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Griffin was LONG thought of as a genius of classic boxing. You spoke the historical truth.
     
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  9. mcvey

    mcvey VIP Member Full Member

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    I didn't think Old Hank was celebrated for his skills?
     
  10. Mendoza

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    Griffo was doctor defense type, and he didn't need to hold to make his man miss. With him it was innate.

    He had a trick where he'd place a napkin on the floor, stand on it and make the other guy miss.

    An early version of Willie Pep is you will.


     
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  11. mcvey

    mcvey VIP Member Full Member

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    Who ever said Griffo wasn't a defensive marvel?

    Clever Abe Attell was a big fan of his .

    Saying he was, "the best defensive fighter of all time, " is however a bit of a reach,considering no one who has been alive in the last century ever saw him fight.
    Likewise stating that had ,he trained properly he would have been ,"the GOATp4p ,"and the ."greatest in two divisions for certain," takes a lot on trust.

    Maybe you are ever so slightly influenced by his nationality?:think

    Foley said a lot of things some of them sensible ,some of them perhaps not so.
    He contended , for example that no-one could make him lead if he refused to. Jack Johnson sparred with him to prove he could make him lead, and made him so furious he involuntarily threw punches and proved Johnson right and himself wrong.
     
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  12. kingfisher3

    kingfisher3 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    i figured griffo stylisticly had more in common with locche than a mover like pep, but that might just be the bar story and later out of shape performances twisting my thinking.
     
  13. mcvey

    mcvey VIP Member Full Member

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    I would imagine you are on the money with your assessment.:good
     
  14. thefactor

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    I saw recently on a forum where posters were naming there top 25 atg Australian boxers. There were quite a few lists and surprisingly Griffo was not mentioned in any of them. Unlike Les Darcy no film exists of Griffo so we can only go by his record and what the old timers tell us but he might have been the best of them all especially when most of his training consisted of arm curls in bars.
     
  15. reznick

    reznick In the 7.2% Full Member

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    That's so messed up. I hope now with things like social media, boxers can retain value in their own brand. I have a feeling that if things like Instagram were available, people like Sam Langford would never have to worry about poverty, since commercial gigs would be easily accessible.
     
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