Joe Gans vs Henry Armstrong

This is a fix and it's well known here.

Sure, but Langford was much more than a pressure fighter. At LW I doubt he pressured in the same way he did at HW.

It was a draw and Walcott was another all-timer.

Watch what we have of Nelson fight and tell me he wasn't tough...

 

On the Erne fight, reports are contradictory on who was winning before the cut.

It seems it was an accidental clash, but the cut was real and severe.

He avenged the loss spectatularly in the rematch.

Langford didn't swarm Gans. And Walcott and Langford both had significant weight disadvantages.

 

The fight( Gans vs McGgovern ) does not look like a fix at all on film. If anything the ref helped a woozy Gan's out by escorting him to his corner. If you watch the film closely, McGovern buckles Gan's knees just before he falls in a way tough to fake. Gans doesn't recover well enough. If it was a fix, he simply stays down.

You asked for pressure fighters he had trouble with and I listed three. He won none and all of them took place him his prime.

Walcott lost a lot by the way.

As for the other fight vs Erne fight ( Also in Gan's prime ) he wanted out. He wasn't super tough, on that day

I think Armstrong is too active and too tough for Gans. Both are top 10 ATG's in their weight class. The poll has ten votes. Not one for Gans. I agree with the poll and think styles has something to do with this outcome.

 

My feelings exactly,,this is one of those matchups where both sides have good points

 

This is great match up.

Even though there isn’t much film on Gans I still have to favor him.

He has been in with the worst maulers imaginable and put them away. In this fight he would have rules that favored the boxer instead the other way around.

This means he could expect the ref to break clinches and penalize for fouls. He would be able to move and set up his punches.

I think Armstrong presents a similar challenge to Gans that Nelson did for Gans but a prime Gans is healthy, elusive, and faster. On top of that he hit hard (100 KOs at 135 in that era is astonishing)

I favor Gans on points because of his mobility and power. Close fight because Armstrong is too aggressive to not pin Gans to the ropes at times and let off.

 

On the McGovern Gans fight. I don't think it's entirely clear, though I mean much more towards it being a fix than the Corbett McCoy fight.

If it was real it was an utterly abysmal performance from Gans.

The Chicago Tribune reported some
bizzaire betting. George Super was given the option of withholding Gans's purse (to be given to charity), but choose not to just saying Gans gave a really poor showing.

I don't remember seeing anything super obvious like that Pep dive, in the film, but I'll have another look. Certainly Gans didn't show anything like the ability he did against Nelson or Herman, then again McGovern was far better than either of them

 

The quality of the long video is not good, but you can see that this fight was packed with action even in the end. These men were real warriors!

 

Head says Gans, heart says Armstrong.

 

I'd say Gans is one of Hank's worse matchups at lightweight. Combo of skills, cardio, toughness, grit and punching power that he hadn't seen before. It would be like walking into dynamite.