Joe Jeannette V Jack Dempsey,Joe Louis,Jack Johnson?

Thanks for the quotes and testimonials.

I'd give Jeannette the least chance vs. Joe Louis, and the best vs Jack Johnson, or a 15 or longer rounds match vs Dempsey.

Jeanette was a raw novice, with no amateur experience and a losing, .500 or barely above .500 record when he fought Johnson, so you really can't use that match.

In their last match, Johnson and Jeannette drew, Jeannette had only won 10 of his 21 total fights based on Box Rec, which includes News wins, losses or draws. Hardly the tiger he would become.

Jeannette's his prime was around 1909-1914.

To Quote Jeannette, " When Jack became champions he forgot about his old friends and drew the color line against his own people "

You can see Jeannette twice on film. Once vs Sam Langford, the other time as an old man sparring for W.W. II Bonds vs Jack Johnson.

 

Well he has wins over Langford, Johnson ( Foul DQ ), McVey, Clark, and Carpentier. Aren't all in the boxing hall of fame? He also drew with Harry Wills, and did better than Jack Johnson in his matches vs. common opponent Battling Jim Johnson.

Hardly over rated, mostly forgotten by modern historians would be a better answer.

I tend to think Jeannette in his prime was better than Sam McVey, but not quite as good as Langford.

 

klompton2, Neither I nor Mcvey asked what contemporaries thought of Jeanette.

Boy, you're not the sharpest tool in the shed are you. Neither did your partner ask if Jennette was overrated, you opened that door.


If I wanted excerpts from your crapbook I would ask for them. Instead why dont you quit ducking the original question and just answer it?

And you say you have a college degree, I did answer it you just don’t like my answer or maybe you and your partner, don’t understand what you are reading.


We already know why, its the same thing that happened years ago when Jeanette was discussed vis a vis other greats. You bitched, you moaned, you whined, you cried, you lashed out anyone eho said anything even remotely unflattering about Jeanette, and then after it was all over and the dust settled you admitted that Jeanette would zn underdog in the fights mentioned.

I believe you have me confused with somebody else, unlike you I make comments under one name unlike you who even answers his own posts under different names on the same thread.

Now, prof, read this slowly, I am addressing your statement that Jennette was overrated. Which had nothing to do with the thread. Since you opened that door, I feel I have to respond by posting what his contemporaries thought of him, not what some self-proclaimed pysstorian is saying 90 yrs later

It was comical then, its comical now.

You are definitely right here, it is comical that you continue to hide under different alts, you even have posted under different alts agreeing with yourself and on the same thread, jeez how childish is that?. Just cos you hide doesn’t mean everybody else does it. You are arguing with me, not anybody else

We dont even have to surmise how he would do against Johnson. We know, Johnson overwhelmingly won their series.
But you fail to post relevant facts, the last time clutch n grab fought Jennette, C&G had 50 fights, Jennette had 22. There is a difference, but you wouldnt know that. C&G had more experience that he beat an inexperienced Jennette means nothing to you. Your partner said that the NY commission vetoed a fight well at that point
C&G would have been facing an in his prime Jennette, who would have given C&G a much better and harder fight. Jennette was in his prime during C&G's championship days, and surmising that Jennette had the benefit of 3 or more yrs experience, yes he would have been more than a handful for C&G at that time.

"Johnson defends world 'colored' heavyweight title. Johnson 20lbs heavier. The local paper called it a draw, though it also said Johnson was the cleverer boxer and ring general and slightly outclassed Jeannette. Research done by Adam Pollack."

Please stop your replies are comical, put in the relevant facts that fills out the story, and you say you are a “historian” Bahaha.

We can surmise that if Jeanette struggled with a 20 yr old Carpentier fresh out of the MW ranks

Please do surmise all you want, but since boxing is your weak point, let me explain something that you conveniently leave out, how old was Jennette? Why bring this up since you hate Carp as you hate Dempsey. Carp was a special fighter who many thought was great but you know better. Think about the guys Carp fought at 20 yrs. You are butt hurt over the fact that Carp didn’t need Greb, Greb needed him, too funny.

he better stear clear of Jack Dempsey, and given Jeanettes inconsistency at the highest level of the sport he damn well wouldnt be favored over a Louis.

I didn’t say anything about who he would beat or who would beat him. And fyi, its only your opinion 90yrs later and your opinion has been shown to be exaggerated, spun, agenda riddled and lack of real boxing knowledge. I answered the question posed by the thread, and I stand by it, a prime Jennette would have been a handful.

 

For whatever it is worth, McVea was much more highly regarded at the time.

 

mcvey,For their last fight ,over the longest distance of any of their fights ,22 fight Jeannette was comprehensively out pointed over 15 rds!
And you are bragging this bahahaha

Jeannette and Johnson were never friends,Jeannette picked against
him in several fights and never said anything complimentary about him during his whole career?
This might come as a surprise to you but they were rivals, and rivals tend to be unkind to each other.

If Jeannette had been in Johnson's place in Rush Cutters Bay and had beaten Tommy Burns. Do you seriously think he would have said?
" I must give Jack Johnson a crack at my title although he has beaten me like a drum in several fights,dropping me multiple times,and although the fight will not draw significant $$$$ I must fight him!
Since we are surmising, I think yes he would have given him a shot, cos Jennette would have something to prove, and that C&G beat him like a drum would have been a stigma against him. Something like Louis -Schmeling. Both Louis and Jennette were proud warriors, so yes I believe if your fantasy post happened he would have give C&G a shot or at least tried to.

What is probably not understood, is the boxing component fighting a 22 fight pro vs a C&G guy with loads of experience is a very different thing than fighting an in his prime and experienced Jennette. Why than do you make so much of the fact that C&G dropped a 4 fight pro and had a series of fights with an inexperienced fighter, now if he had beaten and dropped an experienced Jennette that would be something to brag about.
Before you go on a tangent, I know it would have been a thankless proposition cos it wouldnt have drawn here in the states especially in NYC. Personally I think a fight between C&G and Jennette would have stunk the joint out.

 

Haha no surprise, the surprise would have been if you didnt agree haha

 

mcvey,I have just realised who you are.
Huh!?

Look chum , I've no wish to rain on your parade, the facts speak for themselves.
Thank you for agreeing the facts as stated by Jennettes contemporaries speak for themselves.

If you are a Jeannette fan fine with me.
Why do you think I am a fan of Jennette? I am a boxing fan who believes fighters should be respected. Jennette was not my cup of tea, but I can respect that he was a top fighter when he was fighting.

Can you please confine yourself to addressing the thread.
What is it that you dont understand about "he would've been a handful for all those you mentioned, especially a prime an experienced Jennette.

I don't have any partners on this or any other forum.
Dont be shy, or embarrassed you know who you constantly "like" has he given you a discount?

If you decline to answer my question,that says a lot about you.

Really what does it say about me? I have posted already 3-4 times what I thought. What does this say about you that you cannot and will not accept my answer?

 

Some of these comments are concerning. I don't get how these men aren't appreciated more.

 

I do not believe there is enough film footage to accurately determine how good Jeanette was. Certainly he was very highly thought of in his prime.

 

Jeanette was a raw novice, with no amateur experience and a losing, .500 or early above .500 record when he fought Johnson, so you really can't use that match.

In their last match, Johnson and Jeannette drew, Jeannette had only won 10 of his 21 total fights based on Box Rec, which includes News wins, losses or draws. Hardly the tiger he would become.

Jeannette's his prime was around 1909-1914.

To Quote Jeannette, " When Jack became champions he forgot about his old friends and drew the color line against his own people "

You can see Jeannette twice on film. Once vs Sam Langford, the other time as an old man sparring for W.W. II Bonds vs Jack Johnson.

Yes, I do think Jeannette would have given Johnson a chance had he beaten Tommy Burns for the lineal title in 1908. There was a score to settle.

Johnson took advantage of a green Jeannette, who as I stated according to box rec had only won 10 of 21 fights with news decisions when needed yet drew with him in their last encounter.

The Jeannette by 1909 was far better than the early version Johnson fought. No debate there.

 

Krapper, this sounds very girly of you, "But hey, at least while you are pretending I dont know what Im talking about I can be secure in the knowledge that the only reason youve seen Jeanette fight is because of me and that youll never see any of the other footage I have of him ta ta." O wah, please, please, I'll be your bestest fren', ya gotta let me see the other Jennette vid's, really too funny, Instead of "ta ta", it's more like haha, and you say you are a historian ta ta, ha ha

 

You get it. You might want to note that Langford's estimated age and weight for the Johnson fight was 20 years old and 156 pounds. Johnson had far more year in ring experience, and about 30 pounds on the young Langford.

I do think Jeannette was a very tough and scrappy guy with stamina decent skills, so in a 15 or more rounds fight could take Jack Dempsey if Dempsey did not end the match early. Jeannette was ready as a sub in for Dempsey to fight. Dempsey refused.

There's not a lot of film on Jeannette in the ring in his prime but he did have a spear like jab and fought well in reverse. Therefore he could have given Louis of trouble as films show he had trouble with good jabbers and movers.