Joe Jeannette V Jack Dempsey,Joe Louis,Jack Johnson?

I already did answer the question above. And it's definitely an intriguing one. I was responding to some of the other comments as well though, I enjoy the discussions.

 

mcvey,
'll try just this once more ,my reply was to H E GRANT in response to him saying the fights between Johnson and Jeannette were razor close and competitive I have proved they were not and you agreed ! Jeannette was inexperienced at the time of these fights and I have NEVER said otherwise!

As you want to try once more I will do the same. Johnson had 9yrs on jennette when, it shouldnt have been close. They werent razor close but neither were they one-sided.

1st Johnson - Jennette fight stat's
Johnson
-PD 1897-11-01
-1st fight with Jennette
1905-05-09
Total fights: 38 fights
Pro experience: 7 1/2 yrs as a pro when he met Jennette
Jennette
-PD 1904-11-11

1st fight with Johnson
Date:1905-05-09
Total fights: 0-3
Pro experience: 5 months and change

Breakdown

Johnson - Jennette
total fights- 38 0-3
Ring experience 7 1/2 yrs 5 months


-Johnson - who attempted to knock out the first of two men on this card - dropped Jeannette three times in round 1, but after that his opponent stuck it out and gave as much as he took. In the end both the New York Evening World and the Washington Times declared it a very even fight. UPDATE: According to a consensus of the Philadelphia newspapers, Johnson won the bout. The Philadelphia Record and Philadelphia Evening Bulletin both awarded the bout to Johnson and the Philadelphia Inquirer account stated that "Johnson seemed unable to get to Jeannette with any of his blows effectively, although the New Yorker took the count more than once to gather his wits about him when the milling got a bit warm."
Last Johnson - Jennette fight
Date: 1906-11-26

Johnson
-Last fight with Jennette
Total fights: 58
Pro experience: 9yrs

Jennette
1906-11-26
Total fights: 22
Pro experience: 2yrs

Breakdown

Johnson - Jennette
total fights- 58 22
Ring experience 9 yrs 2yrs

"Johnson defends world 'colored' heavyweight title. Johnson 20lbs heavier. The local paper called it a draw, though it also said Johnson was the cleverer boxer and ring general and slightly outclassed Jeannette. Research done by Adam Pollack."

When I said their results against common opponents illustrate that Johnson came off better in them I wasn't referring to just the McVey and Langford fights,I was referring to the fights Jeanette lost to:

Just filling in where necessary

-Sandy Ferguson: 4 fights Jennette won three and lost 1,

Relevant facts-

Jennette - Ferguson 3rd fight
"The fans are loud in denouncing the work of the referee, and also the reports of the fight that were printed in some of the New York papers, and say if ever there was a time that Jennette was entitled to a decision, it was in that fight.

"all kinds of means tactics were used by both the referee and Ferguson in their endeavors to beat Jennette. Boston is Ferguson’s home town and he had everything in his favor. He had about 60pds the better of it in the weight and on three occasions picked up Jennette bodily and threw him to the floor. It was those foul tactics that were counted as knockdowns.

Jennette fought a clean fight from start to finish. He done all the leading, landed the best blows and inflicted considerable punishment on his opponent. But nevertheless, the decision was rendered against him. This was greeted with hisses from the spectators.

4th and last fight
2 months later Jennette stopped Ferguson.

“Jeannette worked the big man's body, hurting him there in the third, and having him reeling in the sixth and seventh. In the eighth round, Ferguson collapsed from the accumulated punishment and his corner threw in the sponge.”

I am gonna break up this reponse this was part one.
I am learning more and more of Jennette and the big four, the biggest disappointment is Jack "Clutch n grab" Johnson. I agree with Johnson though, Langford the deadliest thus #1 of the big four, #2 Jennette was the toughest.

I have a file system where I file articles, quotes, reports from all over the internet. I have hundreds of pages on the big four. Only problem was I just filed them and rarely read them. This thread made me go into the files and discover a very good fighter and the big four.

 

I'm calling you a lair, of that I'm most certain of.

Ted Spoon did, in fact, say he saw the fight and verified it via PM to me years ago. This is 100% true.

He changed his story years later for his own reasons saying he made a mistake. You'll have to ask him why and I have zero doubt if he admits telling you he did tell me he saw it via PM you'll never post it here!!!

One again nimrod, the bet was Fitz vs Ruhlin filmed. Not when or how. YES, IT WAS.

 

This is a report I found, didnt even know I had it but here it is, Jennette at this time had 4 or 5 fights. Not to shabby for a guy facing an ATG in Johnson. Part of this report is quoted in Boxrec. As you can see the earlier post on this thread by a well known poster was exaggerated and pertinent information was left out.

Philadelphia Inquirer ~ May 10, 1905 ~

JACK JOHNSON CAUGHT A TARTAR IN ONE BUT A MARK IN THE OTHER ~

The double stunt tried by Jack Johnson, colored heavyweight champion of the world, in meeting two men for three rounds each in the wind-up at the Knickerbocker Athletic Club last night proved to be more of a surprise than the champion was looking for. Joe Jeanette, of New York, went on first, and although greatly handicapped in weight and height and eclipsed in experience, he gave Johnson as hard a three-round reception that the latter has run across while in this city.

Jeanette not only held his own, but actually forced the milling in two of the rounds. He repeatedly got home to Johnson’s body and face with a good left jab and landed a few right hand wallops which caused the crowd to yell its approval. Jeanette was not any too Gallus, however, by his success and he invariably cleverly covered up whenever the big fellow came rushing in after being stung by some of Joe’s punches. Johnson seemed unable to get to Jeanette with any of his blows effectively, although the New Yorker took the count more than once to gather his wits about him when the milling got a bit warm. Johnson did not seem to try very hard in the first round, but after Jeanette had made himself solid with the crowd Johnson sailed in for the second round like a hurricane.

For a time things went badly for Joe, but before the round was over he was giving just as good as he received. The third he easily held his own, despite Johnson’s desperate efforts to land the “ender” punch. The crowd went wild when the bell ended the bout with Jeanette fighting Johnson savagely. Walter Johnson then essayed to go the same distance, but a clip on the jaw just as the men had shaken hands in the third round settled that bout.

 

mcvey,Why are you just repeating what we already know? That Jeannette was inexperienced in his fights with Johnson.

Why did it take so many posts for you to finally admit that he was inexperienced so that makes your constantly bringing up Jack "Clutch n Grab" Johnson up a moot point.

What the f*ck has this to do with the subject of the thread?

Maybe in your hysteric's you didnt look at post 1&2, you and friend brought Jennette in, then in post #3 your friend came in posting under a different alt. That started the ball rolling.

And the thread emphasizes Jennette does mention so anything Jennette should be on the table, since you and your friend posting under two different alts brought veered off course first.


ie How does Jeannette do against Louis,Dempsey and Johnson over 15rds all in their primes?
That is what the thread is about ,it isn't about you posting Jeannette's early record on every post but refusing to make picks.

Sigh! I am beginning to think you dont like me, wah,wah and boo hoo hoo. When you open the door well then expect a response.

You are a very weird person.