For the record, im fully aware that Ortiz is a very good and excellent fighter technically. I dont underrate him at all. I fully aware that Ortiz vs Joyce would be a difficult match for both, and is why I want to see it. But I think Joyce is under rated, hes has shown throughout the amatuers and against Lewison that he can use his height and reach very well to box his opponents from the outside, hes just walking over guys and through their shots right now to build a fan base, when he steps up against the contenders of the division, so will his boxing skills and ring IQ.