Joe Joyce is now the defacto #1 HW

This is conflating the Fury situation with the global financial situation. Essentially, the SVB situation came down to liquidity risk, in that they didn't have the money on-hand to immediately cover what they had to pay out. Fury is a bit the same in that he has a brand value tied to all kinds of things, but does he now have what it takes to generate revenue at call? People now know that pulling actual money out of the Fury brand is likely to be a drawn out uncertain saga ... so it makes sense to bank on safer options.

 

lol no. As far as Im concerned Usyk gave Joyce the old what for in the WSS and he'd need a pro win over him to convince me he's the better man.

 

Usyk is #1. The man goes into other people's home countries and humbles them, takes their belts, and gives a gap toothed grin while he does it.

We know Usyk isn't the problem with the Fury fight, it's Fury.

Joyce fighting Zhang is a good move because it shows he's willing to put some skin in the game and fight a puncher, but to say he's better than Usyk at this point is a little ridiculous. If Fury were to retire, Usyk would fight Joyce in England and outpoint him like he did before.

 

The heavyweight scene back then amongst contenders was they would normally fight one (maybe two) name fighters and fill out the rest of the year fighting nobodies.

For example, Jimmy Young fought three times in '75, once against a contender and the other two against Al Jones, who had nine wins and 22 losses, and Bobby Lloyd, who had nine wins and 9 losses.

And Ken Norton fought three times in 1975, once against a contender, and the other two against against Rico Brooks, who has 12 wins and 21 losses, and the other being a rematch against an old journeyman Jose Luis Garcia in his last fight who beat Norton when Ken was a novice.

I'd like current fighters to box more often, but, truthfully, if they did, those would probably the kinds of "extra" fights they took on.

You can bash current fighters all you like, but Jermain Franklin, who Joshua is fighting Saturday, doesn't have 21 losses. And he'll be the "weak" opponent Joshua fights this year. I'm not high on Franklin, but he's no Rico Brooks.

 

I don't see how Joe Joyce can be HW number one (numero uno); in front of Oleksandr Usyk. And if I'm too stupid, someone explain it to me. How?

 

It wasn't that long ago Waldo was fighting 3 times a year against the top 20 of the division. Usually trying to get the top in the division squeezed in. Now we have the Fury era where he's fought 3 worthy opponents since beating Waldo a decade ago.

 

If miniq was in to boxing a 15 years ago, he'd be touting Sugar Nicolay as the next greatest thing!

 

Valuev was one majority decision loss against Chagaev from breaking Rocky Marciano's record.

"Sugar" Valuev was 50-1 going into his final fight. True story.

Two majority decision losses away from 52-0, and he'd be better than Floyd.

 

Thread is stupid. Usyk is obviously and incontrovertibly #1.

Miniq, if you want to put Joyce ahead of your boy, go right ahead. No one will stop you now. But give Usyk his due,

 

Sorry no. Joyce isn't the de facto, de jure, Deee-Liteful, or de-anything #1 heavyweight in the world.

 

No you don’t. You’re just sore about Usyk over the fact that he turned your superhero into a little *****.