Ive never seen Joyce so I cant give an informed opinion but Foreman was next to invincible at that era. If Joyce can tire Foreman out AND take that iron in the Texan's fists then Joyce wins, if not, then its nice to meet you, come back again when ASAP, mr. Joyce!
Does Joe's recent loss change this discussion at all? Or does Zhangs size and style render the loss irrelevant to a Foreman matchup.
George is a heavyweight, and while doesn't have a size advantage anymore he isn't small. Foremans power is there and so is his toughness. If Joyce wants to beat Foreman he's going to have to learn to defend his face from punches.
The loss just proved something that a lot of people already knew, that mostly being the lack of speed and defense. I picked JJ to beat Zhang, because I felt he was the better boxer and when I saw how light Joyce came in at, I thought his chances were even better cause I assumed he'd be a bit quicker and avoid some of the shots that he usually eats. Boy was I wrong! He looked just as slow and defenseless as ever! I always thought AJ would KO Joyce, he's just too wide open and easy to hit.
It changes how quick Foreman KOs Joyce. Foreman has a great aptitude to learn - his comeback longevity shows how he mastered his style around his age and physical assets - while Joyce never learned anything it sees.
true he would be battered by joyce foreman was tiny about 16 stone lol zhang also would batter foreman
Zhang and Foreman don't really have many similarities besides power, and in Foreman's case it's a clubbing type of power vs the sneaky Corrie Sanders sniper shots from Zhang out of his southpaw stance. One thing I want to see from the rematch is how well Joyce can adapt and come back from a loss. If he can beat Zhang his overall standing should improve. Right now everyone and their dog will just pick any halfway decent puncher to beat him.
Zhang is a 6'5.5, 278 lbs southpaw puncher with an Olympic silver medal and modern PED's, born in a communist nation of over a billion people that wasn't even allowed to compete in international amateur tournaments until 1992, with 24 years of boxing experience when he beat Joyce (Lyle had a short amateur career in prison before turning pro at 30 and gave Foreman life and death less than 5 years later). There is no fighter from the 70's with anything remotely resembling Zhang's collection of attributes, looking at it objectively. Zhang also has incredible determination and confidence, proven against Forrest (medical problem but still made it 10 rounds and got a draw), Hrgovic (7/1 underdog, dropped the previously never dropped Hrgovic in round 1, lost via a controversial decision in a fight where he did most of the damage) and Joyce (again a 7/1 underdog one fight post-Hrgovic, stopped Joyce in 6 rounds in Joyce's backyard).
No and it didn't change my opinion because Joyce lost either. Joyce was vastly overrated for beating a shopworn Parker who was never one of the best Heavyweights anyway. Joyce also never possessed Foreman's ATG jab or ring intelligence.