Joe Joyce vs Frank Sanchez - Joyce's next logical opponent?

Yes Joyce, fight Sanchez and get countered to hell for 12 rounds

 

Good test for both of them and a very promising stylistic clash.

 

You beat me to it. What in the wide, wide world of hipster-hype has Sanchez done to deserve being favourably compared to Joyce? Beat Hammer on points? Is that enough, really?

Joyce would view Sanchez's counters as a gentle head massage - and his relentless come-forward (static?) high volume style would make sure 'on points' wouldn't be a factor in this fight...

 

I don't care who it would be, someone needs to destroy Sanchez's lying ass.

Let's hope Joyce would be that guy.

 

Sanchez is the next King

 

I like Joyce as a fighter, he leaves the impression of slowness but he is deadly because he constantly punches the opponent and it is hard to stop him, even though he is too open he absolutely beats Sanchez...

 

I think you fall into the trap of seeing fights as a battle of comparable metrics - which, of course, they are to an extent - without piecing it all together and looking at the overall picture, including - importantly - the mental aspect of match-ups.

On the surface, Joyce doesn't hide what he's going to do - he lays his cards out on the table and says 'beat these'.

He's a high-volume, high VO2-max, iron chinned relentless wrecking ball and you better have comparable stamina at the very least and something else which would viably derail his game plan. Real concussive power is the obvious solution, and Sanchez doesn't possess that. Or great lateral movement akin to Uysk's. Sanchez doesn't have that either.

Without the power to stop him in his tracks, countering becomes a real issue against a fighter who is prepared to take a shot to land his own. And his unusually high volume from the opening bell to the fight's conclusion, means you will take more punches than you throw. Joe's unusual rhythm is another challenge - he doesn't have speed so he uses changes in speed to disrupt. He's clever with this. People who have sparred him say you can see the punches, and apparently have time to react, but they still land. And land with regularity in bunches from heavy hands.

Counter punchers face a real issue when they're trying to land a shot but take two or three in return: 1. It makes them hesitant to throw (that's the mental aspect referred to above); 2. It makes timing counters a real issue: when do you throw them if you're facing a barrage of punches back, all thrown with an off-beat rhythm? Not just in round one, but round 12 too because of Joyce's insane stamina - so the openings don't multiply in terms of regularity or impact because of fatigue in the way they might against many other fighters.

And when they do land, they have little effect because of the chin that's taking them. Joyce doesn't seem to become hesitant after being hit either - that's a factor too.

Joe is clearly beatable - but you need something exceptional (power or movement) to achieve this. And you need incredible mental fortitude to make these count. Usyk is that man. Fury is that man. Even AJ 1.0 may have been that man. Sanchez is not that man.

By that method.

 

I agree Usyk and Fury are above his ceiling. Joshua is too mentally fried now (he was hesitant vs Pulev FFS)- although we'll see if that trend has reversed in the Usyk rematch. Wilder has the power for sure and, in his defence, rarely becomes hesitant when being out-boxed. He'd have about 4-5 rounds to make that right hand count.

But Joyce is a horrible night's work for anyone...

 

Frank the tank will box Joes ears off.
Too slick, too much hand speed.

Pretty easy money this fight. Joyce doesn’t hit anywhere near as hard as Ajagba