Joe Joyce vs Mike Tyson 1988 version

The distance between Toney beating Nunn, to getting a gift over Tiberi was LESS than a year.

The distance between Roy having beaten Ruiz, to him getting knocked out by Tarver and Johnson was just 18 months.


Are you seriously claiming that Mike was at his best in Tokyo, when we have evidence to the contrary?


Are you seriously claiming that Joyce could have beaten Mike, just on the grounds that Douglas did?


How about looking specifically, realistically and objectively, at how you think a Tyson-Joyce fight could have played out. Because so far you haven’t offered anything.

 

Joyce could hurt Tyson too and has the strength to stand and trade v Mike, who struggled when bigger fighters stood and traded with him. Usyk is going to look human against everyone he fights at Heavyweight. Just like Tyson did. It's tough to always fight bigger guys. Tyson was only 5'10.

 

He looked aesthetically good.

In the actual fight, he looked lethargic.

He didn’t show his great head movement.

He was spent by the 9th round, where he was completely gassed.


Not the same guy who went to war with Ruddock in a fast paced fight the following year.


Not the same guy who’d rose to prominence between 85-88.


The signs of a decline were actually there in the first Bruno fight in 89.

He got hit an awful lot more than what we were used to seeing.


It took an awful lot of focus and fitness to fight like he did at his best.

It was tremendously taxing.

By the time he got to Douglas, he didn’t have that same level of commitment due to a number of factors.

 

Look, if you are honestly not trolling then you clearly don't watch alot of boxing. You can argue for any fighter beating anybody with such ridiculous reasoning. Hell, by your logic I can just point out the fact that Joyce was stopped in the ams when wearing headgear and say 'he got stopped by less powerful people than Tyson when wearing headgear.....Mike kos him in 2' .... but it doesn't work like that because context is everything. Tyson had one of the fastest, most documented falls from grace. The Tyson who fought Douglas was not the same as the one who won the belt. Anybody with a brain can see this.

But that's the issue. Half of this forum are absolutely clueless. It's actually embarrassing. If you pull a single fight from a guys career and use it to "prove" he undoubtedly loses to whichever guy your arguing for then you are one of the clueless dimwits. Boxing doesn't work like that it never has.

You could spend mere minutes looking through the resume of an ATG and you would see closeish decisions over lesser fighters next to wider ones against better fighters. You could find that some ATG puncher didn't stop some journeyman who had been stopped before but then manages to stop a guy considered to have a good chin who was proven to be a higher calibre of fighter than the journeyman. This is boxing. Even if Douglas had beat a prime Mike it would have little to no bearing on how a fight against Joyce would go.

How come Ali lost to Frazier but then stopped Foreman, who had just beaten Joe pillar to post?

Lewis got stopped by Rahman and Mccall. This must mean that they are much better punchers than anyone else he faced right? And they are both better than Holyfield who couldn't beat Lewis in two attempts?

CONTEXT buddy. I'd try to learn the word and then attempt to apply it to your boxing "knowledge".

 

He handled Tony Tucker pretty well imo. That said Tyson was fearless, hed risk getting hit to land his big punches, plus dude had great head movement. Hed see Joyces slow motion punches from a mile away and be in position to counter with ripping body shots and explosive uppercuts. Prime Tyson over Joyce for me.

 

See, this here is someone who likes boxing and isn't a ****ing moron. The Tomey example is a great one. Most people agree he got a gift against Tiberi. And that was in his prime.....so is Tiberi better than everyone Toney ever beat? ....I'll give the slow ones around here some help....NO, he is not.

 

Great post.

 

As you’re aware, there’s been some very ignorant posts made here.

So it’s nice to have you onboard.


I’d like these guys to answer my earlier question:


If Mike couldn’t beat a journeyman in Douglas, then how was he able to have beaten Bruno x 2, Spinks, Holmes and Tucker etc?


They surely can’t answer with: styles etc, as that would just denigrate their own posts from earlier.

 

LOL! Madonna Mia!

 

He was below par when he faced Bruno granted, but my point was that his reactions to getting tagged to the body was almost instant, he never stood off he just fired straight back as if to say come on then, take a look at the Tony Tubbs fight he did the same in that one.

 

tyson mentally crumbles as the juggernaut keeps coming forward

 

As I suspected,,Overreaction Monday now has Joyce beating all time greats like Tyson and not just sweeping through todays division. Remember when Joshua was being touted as being able to beat Ali, Frazier and others?
Same here again. If Joyce can hold on enough he might go 12 ugly rounds, if he tries to engage with that slow as smoke hand speed he'll get stopped.

 

Is this a satirical thread or real?

 

He was far more impressive v Parker than AJ was mixing up his shots well.