Joe Joyce vs Rocky Marciano

Discussion in 'Classic Boxing Forum' started by GALVATRON, Mar 24, 2018.


Who lands the First or last K.O Blow

  1. Marciano

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  2. Joyce

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  1. choklab

    choklab cocoon of horror Full Member

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    Okay buddy. Sorry for being a nuisance.
     
  2. McGrain

    McGrain Diamond Dog Staff Member

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    For literally the tenth time:

    The average height for men in America born in 1880 (like Jess Willard (81)) was 170cm. The average height for a man born in 1980 was 179cm.

    This is a difference of 3.5 inches. That's huge.

    Please, please try to absorb this information before one of us dies.
     
  3. mrkoolkevin

    mrkoolkevin Never wrestle with pigs or argue with fools Full Member

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    Of course PEDs can help enhance boxers' abilities to perform in the ring. Is that really the debate?
     
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  4. GOAT Primo Carnera

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    In faith wie trust. Equalisooohhhmmm.


    Joyce lacks speed and snap in his punches. Both will have trouble hurting each other in that one.
     
  5. lufcrazy

    lufcrazy requiescat in pace Full Member

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    Yes, yes you're right, let's leave it there.
     
  6. choklab

    choklab cocoon of horror Full Member

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    And what about the last 50 years when heavyweights got bigger and bigger?

    Data collected from the federal Centers for Disease Control show that average height for Americans has stabilized in the past 50 years to about 5 feet 9 inches for men and 5 feet 4 inches for women.

    "We've pretty well maxed out in terms of stature. There's been little change in adult height over last generation," says William Leonard, an anthropologist at Northwestern University.

    Currently 1% of American men are 6’4”.
     
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  7. McGrain

    McGrain Diamond Dog Staff Member

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    What about it?

    You said:

    "The height of humans has not changed that much in the last 100 years."

    I corrected you.

    You immediately want to change the goalposts.

    See the problem?
     
  8. mcvey

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    :BangHead::bash:
     
  9. Mendoza

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    Well with the population in the USA in the 1880's was 50.2 million people. By 2010 it increased 6X to 308.7 million.

    So not only did people grow taller there is 6X the amount of people in the pool. Of course your going to get far more people 6'4" or taller both in total number and % of the population.
     
  10. choklab

    choklab cocoon of horror Full Member

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    Yes I shall accept the American figures over the 100 years. But what about the plateau of the last 50 years?

    Yes the population increases and the percentage of men over 6’4” is still 1%. That would suggest The jes Willard’s are still hugely outnumbered by the Jack Dempsey sized guys. Just as they always were.
     
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  11. GOAT Primo Carnera

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    There is no plateau in the last 50 years: https://ourworldindata.org/human-height Men get taller and heavier. If you´d plot normal distribution with a mean over an inch higher and compare the propability end of the tail for beeing >= 6’4” in that distribution you´d be in for a surprise. Additionally USA population doubled between 50s and 2000s....

    Right. We just miss the superhuman Dempseys, Rockys, Walcotts and Moores who chop the 240lb SHWs down and make our devision gold again. But food is poisened today and kids have their Nintendos, Smartphones etc., so they won´t come back again :crybaby2:God bless these days when men were still men.
     
  12. choklab

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    I checked out what you said earlier. Americans went from 5’7” to 5’9” in 100 years.. your 170cm is just under 5’7”. It’s 5’6.929 which is practically five feet seven. And according to the good anthropologist I quoted Americans are 5’9’ today. A whopping increase of two inches?

    but for 50 of the last 100 years there was a plateau. The growth topped out. With little or no change for a generation.
     
  13. McGrain

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    170cm to 179 between 1880 and 1980, this is by birth. So people born in those years.

    This is according to Our World In Data Human Height:

    https://ourworldindata.org/human-height

    1980 is that last year detailed figures are available for for people born in that year. They are BABIES, who then have their heights recorded in 2000.

    This is in specific response to a claim you made relating to Jess Willard.

    Look: just don't say heights haven't changed in the past 100 years. It's stupid. Whether it's more than 3 inches, as per this figure, or more than 2 inches, as per your figure, it is not what has happenEd. Humans have got BIGGER in this time, irrefutably, inarguably, beyond all hope of contradiction.

    Just, take it in, and don't say that again.
     
  14. McGrain

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    Honestly, don't. Don't get sucked into the vortex. Everything you are sayinig to him has been said, 3,4 times before, same sources, everything.

    He's either not capable of absorbing information that is contrary to his position, or pretends so he can repeat these things in order that he can artificially enhance Rocky Marciano's chances of winning fantasy fights on this forum :lol: it's tragic as much as it is funny.
     
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  15. choklab

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    Ok it turns out you were right about the two inches. studies also show that among Americans most of that two inches was up until WWII.

    the data I Was looking at says “From the 10th century through to the 19th, the average height of adult men was 5ft 7in or 170cm- just 2in below today's average.” So you are indeed correct about the two inches over 100 years.

    Data collected from the federal Centers for Disease Control show that average height for Americans has stabilized in the past 50 years to about 5 feet 9 inches for men ...with just 1% being 6’4”.

    I still recon that this 1% of the population is doing better in the heavyweight division after boxers started failing drug tests than before it.