Joe Joyce vs Rocky Marciano

My irritation is with threads where a 3 fight novice from a modern division (that is awash with drugs cheats who probably could never exist in any previous era) is favoured over ANY great fighter. No just Marciano.

If anybody has an obsession around here I believe it is among those who continually decide only Marciano is the champion they want to write threads about.

 

I'd hazard a guess you type his name more than anyone else Chok.

 

I disagree, of course, for the reasons that I explained above (and why would we use 2018 weight division rules instead of 1953 rules here?). But if you’re not interested in thinking about how Marciano, as he actually existed, would have fared against more recent heavyweights that’s fine by me. To each his own.

 

Of course Joyce as he actually existed, is a three fight novice at this stage.

 

I’ve never suggested otherwise. Are you being nonsequitur on purpose or are you just having a hard time following the conversation (I know it’s been spread out over several pages). Have you made up your mind whether it’s hypocritical or unreasonable to assume that Marciano would weigh 180-190 in a hypothetical matchup like this?

 

I’d hazard a guess that 99.9% of the time I type that name it is in defence of him.

 

I am not big on extrapolating alternative versions of fighters.

I would suggest that Joyce's inexperience is more than enough to favor Marciano.

 

I find it nonsensical that such a novice would seriously be matched with a proven great champion.

 

Didn't seem to do him too much harm.

What actually was his training? Was it any more extreme than the likes of Jack Dempsey?
I think a lot of the modern fitness people now don't appreciate how important a good aerobic base is enough, for something like boxing it's pretty much what everything has to feed off of.

But yeah it's pretty daft, saying they can't bulk for a larger opponent, if they want, is basically saying they can't go in with a proper training camp. How advantagous it'd actually be is another question, he'd maybe be better focusing on his speed and workrate.

Yeah but it drains you and interferes with training, there's a reason people generally try to stay hydrated. Plus weight cutting often involves dietry changes, which again will dr

 

The "Keeper Of The Flame".
I'd further guess that if you weren't so insanely protective of him you would not incite the reaction to him that you so often do.

 

The underlined is what he actually weighed for fights, so as far as I can see it would only be unreasonable if one were to stray much further in either direction.

 

A "three fight novice" who has been fighting the best amateurs in the world. World level amateur competition is probably the best competition available. At that level amateurs don't get to fight out of condition opponents who take the fight on two days notice. When they enter a tournament they fight until they win the tournament or they lose, they don't get to fight some guy who was laying on his couch two days before the fight and got a call from the promoter offering him some extra spending money and travel expenses. I have not seen Joyce fight, but if he is 6-6, 250 pounds and had a high level amateur career, he is a threat to any heavyweight who ever existed.

 

Would 3-0 Joyce beat 14-0 cruiser Usyk? No.

 

Yeah matching people from other divisions doesn't really interest me unless we allow the smaller guy to add weight.

 

Joyce is as a similar threat to a professional heavyweight champion as Pete Radmacher was