Joe Joyce vs Rocky Marciano

This is a good point. I would add let’s question what is allowing fighters to campaign at such a high weight in a division where so many elite fighters fail drug tests.

 

No let's not add that bit, only recently Canelo failed a drug test but he's not a SHW.

My issue is that a fight between a 190 and a 250 wouldn't even be sanctioned today so if it's to happen at all the 190 man moves up.

If we wanna transport Joyce back in time and say he's pretty much undefeatable I'd say that's a stretch too far.

 

Usyk beat him in the amatuers .

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Audley Harrison won the Olympic Gold medal,how did his career pan out?

 

Ok then. Why not just transport Joyce back in time and make the fight in 1953, when it clearly could have been sanctioned? Straightforward solution that lets us use Marciano as he actually existed rather than forcing us to imagine how Marciano might perform with an extra 25 pounds. It’s really that simple.

 

I think you need updated on the current situation. most of the current HW top ten have failed tests.

Pulev, Browne, Whyte, Ortiz, povetkin, Hughie Fury have all failed drugs tests and are still rated. When Tyson Fury comes back you can add him too.

Perhaps the others haven’t got caught yet?

 

Would Joyce be a 250 pounder in a 15 round era? I'm not convinced.

But if Joyce was a 31 year old prospect back in 1953 and managed to secure a shot at the chsmpichampi I don't really see him succeeding to be honest.

He'd pretty much have to bomb Marciano out early doors. So if he does a Foreman - Frazier style job then he'll beat Rocky, but if Rocky fights more tentative like he did against Louis, he'll probably be the more dangerous fighter from round 7 onwards which gives him 8 rounds to score a come from behind stoppage.

So my pick in this case is Marciano tko14

 

I agree.

There is no way Joyce could approach anything close to the weight he is in these modern times of oxygen training, strength conditioning coaching, protein supliments and whatever else that has most of the top guys fail drug tests.

He might be a better fighter in the 1950s or he might be a worse fighter in the 1950s. Either way he would be totally different.

 

Carnera managed it, Willard managed it.

 

Willard was more Wilderish in build. Carnera was a strongman, so he's pretty exceptional.

 

Yes they did, you are correct. But even though the population was producing a similar percentage of that sized man back then why do you think relatively fewer of them succeeded as heavyweight boxers compared to now?

Could it be that recent advances in developing a more physically capable athlete of that size?

...Hence all the failed drugs tests within the HW top ten?

 

Considering how raw Joyce was at the time, it's impressive that he hung in there with a dangerous, mobile, highly-skilled, well-accomplished 6'3 200+lb southpaw.

 

Please provide a source to back up that claim in your second sentence.

 

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