I know when I've previously posted about fantasy match ups involving modern fighters and old time greats I've suspended my natural inclination to favour the modern guy purely out of sentiment.But secretly I've always had a nagging feeling that fighters with todays modern training,diet,tactical analysis,and superior conditioning would always have a huge advantage over the greats of yesteryear and would more than likely win. Never again. After watching Sam Peter plodding about today it got me wondering whether an old great like a Joe Louis could literally step from a ring 70 years ago and compete with one of the so called top modern Heavyweights. My conclusion is a resounding yes. I watched some old Louis fights and footage against the likes of Schmeling,Baer,Conn and Carnera and even with the inferior quality film,lack of close ups and multi-camera angles,Louis looked vastly superior to Peter (and Klitschko to be honest).Joe's technique,power,speed,jab and defense were all way better than Peters',and I'd favour Louis to step out of a 1930's ring and spank Sam within 8 rounds,despite being much smaller physically. This isn't a nostalgia thread but what I now truly believe.I know Peter is no ATG but even with the progression of time and science he would never,never beat a prime Joe Louis. Do you guys agree or do you think even a fighter of Peters' limited ability would still prevail against an old fighter from the 1930's even one of Louis's ilk?
You refer to the 1930's as if they were 18th Century England. Joe Louis would have destroyed the "modern trained and conditioned" Peter in four or five rounds ...
Louis style isn't that dated. He may not have the modern training techniques and condition, but his natural speed and amazing power, and offensive composite punching skills and solid chin and under-rated defence mean he would knock Peter out within 6.
Well it's clearly obvious in most sports (football,cricket,athletics etc) that advances have been made re training,fitness and tactical analysis,since these sports are now almost completely professional,and I'd've thought boxing would've likewise have benefitted from professionlism and improved as well. My point was that I don't think this is the case at all and if anything todays fight showed how much boxing and in particular the glamour Heavyweight division has regressed.
Many would argue tho and he's looking for opinions both ways. From the 30's forward i agree with him.
Modern training? What signs were there that Peter had done any training at all? Modern diet? From the look of ol' Sams' body I'll say that Two-ton Tonys' diet probably was more modern! If Peters gameplan was to stay just inside Vitalis range so he could catch his jab with his face and then miss with his hook in order to allow Vitali to land his right he made a perfect job of it. Louis would certainly have beaten Peter, as would Ali, Holmes, Foreman and , Liston to name a few of yesteryears champs. You can't compare an individual sport with teamsports like football, baseball, basket or soccer. Any team is likely touses dozens of players during a season. Let's say that 95% of the players are like 5% better then the players of 20 years ago. If you add all the players together that will mean a considerable improvement for a team, yet there might still just have been that special individual of the past who iwas as good or better than the best of today. Louis Ali(60's version) and Holmes were that kind of special talents, standouts in comparison to their contemporaries in a way that no current heavy is close to being. And I can“t see any evolution in training, diet etc. to make up for that gap in talent( or in some cases determination for that matter)
Louis had slow feet, low guard, and was just so-so on defense. Films or news reads will show us this. Louis also wasn't 6'8", with long arms. Peter has no problem out boxing or out slugging fighters who can't run away from him such as Toney, or Maskaev, or fighters who like to stand and trade. Peter could land on Louis. Of course I think Louis would land more on Peter. IMO, Peter's got the better chin. Louis has the better speed/skills. Give the nod to Louis, but the fight is dangerous for him. It could be a Galento like fight for Louis, where he goes down and comes close to disaster.
If Peter tried to brawl with Louis then this fight will look like Louis vs Max Baer. Joe would destroy Peter in a few rounds with Samuel's chin helping him get past three but then he'll get stopped in the fifth or sixth round. Peter is not a dangerous fight for Louis he simply has a punchers chance and since Louis was very hard to finish it ain't happening.
Louis KO6 - Louis's fast compact punches land at will and Peter slow wide punches are easy for him to anticipate and counter
Agreed. Just the difference in punching technique gives Louis a huge edge imo.Peter has to be one of the slowest fighters I've ever seen,and not having seen a whole lot of his fights before it makes me wonder how he ever won a world title. He's certainly not beating Louis,Ali,Holmes or probably even Dempsey or Tunney for that matter.