Joe Louis: America's Hero Betrayed

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  1. duranimal

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    I'am anything but short sighted but i'll not go into politico here as by the very structure of a basic republican system such as in the U.S. with it's one size fits all mentality which to me is juxtaposed to Communism in it's rigidity stifles the singularity of the individual too actually have a free choice of debate as it's viewed as going against the percieved wishes of the majority....it's all black/white, can't do it for you as i'll have to do it for him ect ........what does it take just to cut a national icon a bit of slack who was one man out of millions...how many other americans were heavyweight champs...........A decent society knows that rules & laws are guides & not shackles of liberty.

    HE DONATED HIS PURSE TOO THE COUNTRY did'nt he!!!!!!

    Did every Gladiator who lost get the "Thumbs down" in the Roman Colosseum......NO........If he fought well he got Caesar's reprieve.
     
  2. janitor

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    I think that there are other circumstances that have to be taken into account here.

    Not only was Louis making a donation to a government based charity, but he was legaly barred from making any aditional money himself or indeed from using his income for any other purpouse.

    How can he be expected to pay taxes, when he is effectivley barred from spending his income on anything other than a charitable donation?

    There is nowhere else that the tax money could theoreticaly be drawn from.

    So yes I do think that the way the matter was handeled was reprehensible.
     
  3. duranimal

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    I did'nt say that every Joe Bloggs in the street that ****s up should be bailed out, This case of Loius cannot be compared to any other individual in the main, when you live in a dog eat dog society eventually there's only one dog left, The ruling classes have always maintained power by keeping the masses seperate & divided & it's still a sad day when you can't bend down to pick up a fallen hero, none of us a perfect after all.
     
  4. Bill1234

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    None of us are perfect, but Joe Louis also blew his money on things other than charity. He blew much of it away gambling and on drinking money and on women. The media made Joe Louis out to be a hero, and he did some good things, but in the grand scheme of things he wasn't nearly as a good of a person as everyone would like to believe.
     
  5. duranimal

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    I'd say the media & U.S Goverment
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    Joe Loius as a hero when the drum's of war were being so loudly banged............I've blown stacks on whores/gambling & boozing & loved every minute but thats down to me, but i hav'nt been set up as a national icon then dicarded when no longer required.........to show compassion is the decent human thing to do as it reflects you're society alleged value's. Again i'am not saying this is main stream but where is the hurt to the nation in just bending the rules for one fallen hero.
     
  6. IntentionalButt

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    Not to mention - they ultimately did forgive him his past accrued debts and agreed to only collect on future earnings...but they waited until he was old and broken to do so. If it's something they were willing to do then, why not do it years earlier and save the man some frustration, heartache, and dignity? Why did it take the intervention and appeal of his law-educated third wife? Why didn't someone in the bureaucracy take a look and say "OK, here's a situation we can look at a bit differently - not to set a precedent, but to honor contributions above and beyond the call of duty by a national icon"?
     
  7. Bill1234

    Bill1234 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Because there are people that give money away just as Joe Louis did and they would not be given any slack either. Just because you are famous does not mean you should be given a free pass. Joe Louis wasn't discarded when no longer needed, he just did not pay his taxes and the government did to him what they would do to anyone else. And you're absolutely right, it is down to you as to how you spend your money. Joe decided to spend his money on just about everything but taxes, and he paid the price.
     
  8. john garfield

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    COLD! B It may be the letter of the law, but I suspect you weren't around when Joe single-handedly lifted America's spirits. If anyone deserves to be cut some slack, it's Joe.
     
  9. duranimal

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    :goodThats what i meant to say:yep i must learn yank yap:lol:
     
  10. IntentionalButt

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    Hell - I was only born in '82, and Louis' story gives me chills. How he put everybody on his back and trained harder than ever for Schmeling II - how he gave up two HW title defense purses without thought - how he volunteered, and agreed to a $21/week salary to fight exhibitions for the troops - how he used his voice in a time BEFORE the Civil Rights movement to ensure fair treatment of black troops - how he faithfully served the establishment that his upbringing gave him every reason to mistrust...

    If you don't see how Louis is a special case and deserving of special treatment, there's no help for you.
     
  11. janitor

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    Perhaps the war department should have made it clear that he would be liable for taxes in this regard before they requested/accepted the donation.

    If you are in the habit of taking large charitable donations, then you have some responsibility to protect your donors. For example if you receive a million pound donation from a man who is legaly obliged to live on an army sergeants salary then you have a rather strong obligation to protect his interests.

    I am afraid that I cannot regard this as a mere acountancy error on the part of Louis's team.

    Louis had one rather effective option to safeguard his assets, and that was simply to give the army/navy releif fund nothing.
     
  12. itrymariti

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    IT SHOULD NEVER HAVE BEEN TAXABLE INCOME IN THE FIRST PLACE you ****ing idiot.
     
  13. janitor

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    Lets ask another question here.

    Did some people in the IRS perhaps think, "This guy is loaded, he iks a sporting icon, lets go after him for what we can".

    A few people have talked about whether "Joe public" would have got any slack under the circumstances. The answer is possibly yes.

    The rule in organisations that prosecute, is that you go after the guy with the deepest pockets.
     
  14. he grant

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    If this is a doc with that angle it's a bit strange they never made any point like that .. no facts about special persecution or unfair practices singled out against Louis ...if they did it would have had legitimacy ...
     
  15. Bill1234

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    Yes, it is a bit cold, but it is Joe's fault. I've never been one to cut people slack when they blow away their money when they make a ton of it.