Joe Louis as the P4P greatest

This is where the waters get muddy. We suggest had if beaten charles and rocky he'd remembered more fondly. I disagree. Lets say his career extended to the point he actually fought rocky, charles and rocky would not be remembered as atg's. Neither would walcott. They'd be another example of top rated challengers losing to the main man.

The only possible way he improves his resume is by retiring and coming back to beat a legitimate champion. Anything else and the names mean little considering his dominance.

Had louis retired and then come back and knocked out rocky before retiring again, I don't think rocky gets remembered as a top 5 atg. I think his stock drastically diminishes to a far lower level.

The truth, imo, is due to how dominant he was, we'll never know how good his victories are.

 

#2 h/w and # 6 p4p after Armstrong,SRR, Greb, Ali, Duran.

 

Exactly his top middleweight opponents all contain him as their best victory. That's also why he gets credit for beating so many world champions, because they won the belt off him.

With louis, apart from early on and late on there is only really him as an active world champion due to his dominance. We all know rocky is rated so high because he's unbeaten. If louis beats his he won't be remembered nowhere near as high. Charles and walcott are remembered for being champs who had a lot of back and forth, again if louis beats charles they don't get remembered as highly. He was that dominant it's literally worked against him.

 

You have some truly absurd opinions. I could probably name 20 guys Ray beat that were better than Braddock, at least 5 better than Schmeling, and given the circumstances of his bouts against the likes of Lewis, Bivins, Conn, and Walcott, at least a few more better wins for Ray.

 

this is a difficult question, really an opinion. tough to see a heavyweight p4P. it would have to be ALI or maybe Louis if it was any heavyweight. Sugar Ray dominated 2 weight classes and beat everbody! Joe louis dominated the most glorious division. Joe did have an unreal 25 title defenses. all opinion, some could Julio Cesar Chavez is the p4p. legit claim, archie moore most knockouts all time could be called p4P based on KO #. i would take Sugar Ray R over JOE maybe simply becuase Joe made a comeback and got hammered by marciano. the little things.

 

What kind of stupid ass **** is that?

 

Roach thinks he's the greatest P4P fighter.

 

You started a thread on pound for pound greatness. I can name 20 better fighters pound for pound than Braddock that Robinson beat, which is what you knew I meant. If that isn't what you meant, then it was a completely irrelevant point to make in the first place in a pound for pound discussion.

 

So a heavyweight beating up blown up middleweights is more impressive than a welterweight (who started at Lightweight) beating up middleweights? Into his 40's? That's what you're trying to say?

 

Imo, anyone dismissing louis's claim to be number 1, does not know boxing. I might not place him number 1, but how can you seriously dismiss his claim, he is the single most dominant champ in history.