Joe Louis first 2 time champion counting alphabet soup titles?

With the alphabet soup it is a lot easier to be "recognised" as a world champion. But being actually considered the true champion then not many have done 2 or more by my reckoning.

I mean why the hell shouldn't we recognise the coloured belts they're easily as valid as any other belt around. So i'd argue that the early coloured champions became the first 2 time champion.

 

If the BBBC and the EBU didn't recognize Louis as the champion then I don't see any argument for saying he won an alphabet title when he beat Savold.

 

Yeah, but we all know that "alphabet governing bodies" don't necessarily recognize on merit of lineage.
That's why the LINEAR distinction is made.

 

If we were to recognise Louis as a two time champion then we would probably have to give the same recognition to Jack Sharkey.

 

:good.
This is 100% correct. nobody is going to tell me if there was a 1980's style wba-wbc situation going on that whichever body recognised savold would simply dump Louis (and the percentage of his next few title fights) on account of Charles having a win over him? No way, because the WBA continued to recognise weaver even though he had lost to current WBC champ Holmes.
The way I see it Weaver, Dokes, coetzee, page, Tubbs, witherspoon, Thomas, berbick, smith etc good contenders they may have been were no more "champions" than old joe louis was when he beat savold. I wish this is how history decides to remember that era also.
By the way I believe Jimmy ellis had more of a claim than all the above belt holding contenders because he won an actual eliminator style tournament. what tournament did Tate and coetzee ever take part in to start the whole WBA debacle or for that mater Holmes and Norton over on the WBC channel? Its all fine and dandy that Holmes went on to establish himself as the best and all but once we start splitting hairs its the truth that old Louis was as much a champ as 95% of all disputed HW belt holder claimants.

 

Coloured champions are as much champions as any non-linear champs imo

 

In a way, Marciano Walcott I could be view as a unify fight?

 

Then several guys enter the discussion!

 

obie walker, jimmy bivins...

 

Definitely! If we're gonna discuss non linear titles then I see no good reason to omit the coloured championships.

 

Bingo.

The whole reason Savold ended up with an "alphabet" title in the first place was because of the BBBC's senseless machinations.