Joe Louis h2h against other all time greats.....

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is there enough footage to support claims of a robbery?

or is there enough fight reports to support claims of a robbery.

if opinion is split and you can't watch the fight yourself then maybe you could class it as a draw if you really wanted. louis knocked him out in the rematch anyway so I see no big deal here.

infact this would have enhanced louis's legacy greatly, first 2 time world champ. plus walcott would have been escalated great heights and would himself have been a two time champion menaing louis's rematch victory would look even greater.

the idea of walcott being robbed is a bit too pro-louis IMO.

 

In boxing the champ and his promoter often pick the judges. This has been a problem for years. I'm not saying it was fixed. I am saying the background here has a red flag or two. Can you admit that?

I think the point that Walcott's camp objeced to Louis personal ref ( who only gave one roudn to tommy Farr in a 15 round fight! ) means something here. Do you discount that fact? The replacement picked Walcott, the other two judges hired by team Louis picked Joe.

 

I think the removing of a ref who had bad score cards for Louis, and made part of his living on Louis means a bit more than you saying it was

You find it hard to accept some of the points I make.

 

Thanks for putting forth the arguments on which your opinion is based. I haven´t done anywhere as much research as you did but what I have seen and read I come to a similar conclusion: a close fight which could have gone either way but the champ got the benefit of the doubt. Not a robbery though.

I didn´t wanna be harsh to piscator, I know there are good arguments for Walcott. Not that it was a robbery though. Thing is, people who are interested in the fight know your opinion and aguments on it since the fight was discussed at length on here more than once. I don´t know his arguments though. Perhaps he has something new to bring into the discussion. I´d like to see that.

 

I based my opinion solely on the video I saw of the fight. There were only 8 minutes of video in the video I watched, so obviously a lot of the fight filjm was missing.

According to the video I watched, I thought Walcott won the fight. My reasoning was:

1. Walcott knocked Louis down twice, once in the 1st and once in the 4th. Both times, Louis looked seriously hurt and dazed.
2. The action before and after those knock downs looked pretty even, both fighters scoring some good shots.
3. In the 9th, Louis may have staggered Walcott a little with a jab, but Walcott didn't look hurt. Also in the 9th, they fought it out in a telephone booth, Walcott against the ropes. Hell of a good exchange. Both got some good shots in. Walcott showed what a great defensive fighter he could be. Great head and body movement to avoid Louis' shots.
4. In the 10th, a straight right seemed to stagger Walcott a bit, but he didn't seem hurt.
5. In the 13th, Walcott slipped or possibly was knocked down, I couldn't tell. But he didn't appear hurt.
6. In the 15th Walcott pulled a bit of a Haye, showed how he could dance and keep out of range of Louis. Looked like he thought he was way ahead on points and was going to win the fight, so wanted to stay out of Louis' KO punch.

Is there any more complete video coverage of that fight? As I said, according to the video coverage I saw, my opinion is that Walcott won. But, of course, it's possible some crucial action was missing that would indicate why Louis was given the victory. Does anyone have a video of the whole fight?

By saying that Louis was "robbed", I am not implying any funny business. I am just saying that according to what I saw of the fight via video, I thought Walcott should have been given the decision.

That's all.

 

How can you say it was a robbery when you only saw a few rounds? :shock:

 

Bhodi, please read my post again. Your question was addressed and answered in that post.

Cheers

 

I know, and I´m just expressing that it shocks me. :thumbsup

 

Maybe you can help me, Bhodi. Do you know where I can get a video of the whole fight?

 

Doesn´t exist as far as I know. However, there are a few articles about the fight that give you an impression how it unfolded. That, the rounds you have, the official the result and so on paint a good picture. One of a close fight that could have went either way but went to the champ.

 

Thanks, Bodhi

Isn't it amazing that such an important fight would not be filmed in its entirety and the film treasured for posterity?

Cheers