Joe Louis h2h against other all time greats.....

Thats pretty amazing that Rocky Marciano was there in 1971. That alone should have been a bigger event than Ali Frazier I.

 

Louis was the emerging great from the golden era of hw boxing.

Not only that but he consistently fought top 5 opponents missing out who? Bivins and ray? Not bad for a 13 year period.

As janitor says, it is undoubted that a handful of louis's victims would have been hw champs.

Infact, had louis not been as dominant as he was, anyone beating him would have been a great hw. Once he overturned it would be seen as a great victory.

Holding one's dominance chimpted them is pathetic imo.

 

Rocky Marciano couldn't have been there in 1971...

EDIT: Oh wait, that was sarcasm. Sorry. lol.

 

Trust me, if a dead guy shows up to a sporting event, (And a well known name like Marciano or perhaps Monroe) It would over shallow the event no matter how great it was.

 

But he did.. As mentioned before, he was past his best and had to compensate for lost speed and workrate ( two of his best attributes.) He still gained retribution for that first loss to Norton... The third fight was questionable in the integrity of the decision, but Norton was peaking while Ali should have been planning his retirement.

 

Louis deserves an allowance for the Charles and Marciano loss. But not for the schmeling defeat, the Walcott robbery, nor for getting decked by men like Braddock or Galento.

This is an over simplification. Tyson's first loss came nearly two years after his peak performance, and not just " a few months." Furthermore, in the interim he had gone through a major change in management ( against his own doing ), which was comprised of a staff that had worked with him since childhood... Louis had never experienced this....Not to mention a huge divorce, a car accident, and vultures who were swarming around him with little or no interest in his well being...He was also fighting a man who at 29 years of age was fully primed and by all standards, a natural heavyweight with the right style to trouble him... Not a 190 lbs, past prime light heavyweight who was off for a year.

How many times was Tyson dropped in his career? How many times was Louis? How many 4 year layoffs did Louis have? How many 6'4" plus 230 lbs black heavyweights did he fight? Did any of these guys who Louis fought have established amatuer careers going back to early childhood or trainers in their corners such as Lou Duva, Emanual steward or Angelo Dundee? How many former light heavy weights did Tyson fight? How many did Louis?

Little bit different when you're the most professionally well managed fighter of your day and defending a title against men who barely stand 6'0" tall, weigh 198 lbs, have losses in the double digits, no amateur careers, poor management or no management at all, and are working side jobs to supplement their income.

 

None of this is in dispute, but did he realy develop tactics to counteract Norton's jab and pressure?

I might be missing something, but I don't see it.

 

Louis had as long a layoff due to the war.

 

I'm aware of that.. Thanks..

 

I'd hardly call a razor close SD victory as gaining retribution either.

Louis-Schmeling II now that's gaining retribution.