Joe Louis h2h against other all time greats.....

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Yeah, I always loved him against Carnera. Some very nice back foot work there that demonstrates his versatility.

 

You know, if you wanna get taken seriously you should start showing some respect. Insulting people you don´t know anything about isn´t a good way of introducing oneself. Many posters here are actually your age or not much older. And some of those who are older studied the fight for longer than you are on this blue planet. I tend to think they might know what they are talking about.

Another thing, you stated your opinion that Joe Louis doesn´t rank high h2h. Well, that´s an opinion you can have. I don´t share it but I think you can bring forth some arguments fo that. You aren´t doing so. If you state an opinion and want a serious discussion make some arguments. Your argument that he was knocked down often isn´t one because he got up again and won all but one of those fights. If you wanna make an argument hee just say that he was defeated right in the middle of his prime by a past it 190 pound ex-champ, that he had some less than impressive showings and sometimes close fights against fighters you expect him to blast through like Tyson when he really is what people make him out to be. You know, some arguments with substance where people have to think a bit at least. Just stating an opinion, and backing it up with a nonsense argument, is worthless - I´m guilty of that too though.

 

Agreed. There has never been a HW and likely never will be one who could weather the storm against Joe Louis.

 

Louis was one of the greatest offensive fighters of all time...each punch he throwed could be made a candidate for the best punch of the heavyweight division..the hook, the right cross , the jab...Not only could he use them well he was always a very cool and collected finisher. He never let his opponent escape when hurt. Plus he has proven records against modern sized giants (meaning he had enough torque in those fists )
With a weaponary like that he would be trouble for any living or dead heavyweight of any time. Forget other things an elite puncher and finisher is always a danger to any fighter no matter what the nay sayers say. A puncher can always hurt you (Like Shavers hurt Holmes), and a great finisher will always finish the job when the first happens ( I doubt Holmes would have seen round 11 if it was Louis instead of Shavers)

Fact is you cannot hold the title for that long without being effective against variety of styles or being good in H2H.

There is always some decent guy who can beat you, like Douglas beat Tyson. There is always a great light heavy who might step up the plate and beat you like like Spinks beat Holmes...I have always said this, that if Louis lost to Conn and regained his title Conn would be considered greater. There is always some unknown fighter who knows how to exploit your style , like Norton did to Ali and so on and so forth. I doubt Schemmling or Walcott (caught Louis at the *** end ) whom Louis beat were worse than Leon Spinks or Moorer or Rahman or Young...

You can't build a legacy in boxing like Louis by being bad in H2H...its contrary to common sense...then anyone could have a legacy like that.

By the way Braddock is brought up, he was the champ who would have Louis fought...and I never saw anything to suggest he was nothing less than durable.

 

a tremendous post

 

but not for Marty Marshall

 

Which is funny because Louis was taller than Liston and weighed about the same amount.

Let us assume that Liston was actually born in 1932, he weighed between 198-200 pounds during his first year as a pro when he was 21. Joe Louis at this age also weighed between 198 and 200 pounds.

5 years later, Liston weighed around 205 for Bethea, Mederos, Whitehurst as did Joe Louis for Baer (206) and Simon (207). Another 5 years later, Liston 210-215, Louis 210-213.

 

It's funny right? Liston sometimes has the perception of being a superheavyweight to a lot of people when he's about the same size. It's like his robe towel stuffing trick still works on fans.. You see lots of people talking about how Louis might have issues with bigger modern heavies based on size and such. Yet the same never really happens to Liston. Maybe it's the reach. Maybe people just don't think about it.

 

I personally think Douglas and Bonavena were at their best and were very underrated fighters, much better and more skilled than someone like Galento and Braddock IMO. I'm not using the same logic but there is clearly a difference in talent between the two pair.

 

For me its the power and quick start that would have me favor him over Louis, and he clearly looked physically bigger/stronger than most of the heavyweights at the time. Compare his body size to Patterson.