Joe Louis in the 70s

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  1. superman1986

    superman1986 Active Member banned Full Member

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    Joe Louis fights Fraizer, Ali, Foreman, Norton, Lyle, Shavers, Bugner, Quarry, Ellis and All the rest of the top contenders of 1970 to 1976. How does he do?

    IMO, he still would have had a championship reign. In watching the FOC in 1971, Frazier was a beast, but he got hit too much and wasn't hard for a fast, accurate puncher to land combinations on. That's why I believe Louis would have stopped Frazier before he could start smoking.

    Ali wouldn't have made it standing toe to toe. Sure, it would have made for an entertaining fight, but eventually, Louis would have gotten to him. This could have been that one glaring KO loss on Ali's record.

    Foreman would be the most dangerous opponent as we can be sure that on their way to the ring, at least one man would be walking to his destruction . On the other hand, big punchers easy to counter were guys that a prime Louis hunted for sport. I believe Louis may have taken a knockdown, but it would have been a festival, a smorgasbord of explosive counter punching that would have seen Foreman stopped in the mid rounds. Rumor has it that Foreman didn't like Quarry's counter punching in sparring.

    Louis could possibly have had a highlight reel KO over Norton. But I'll give him the benefit of the doubt and say Norton goes into the middle rounds before he's stopped.

    Earnie Shavers would also be a dangerous opponent, but I honestly see a repeat of Louis/ Buddy Baer 2.

    Louis vs Lyle could go something like Louis and Abe Simon with Lyle being mercilessly counter punched and beaten to the punch .

    And there were the others but I'll leave those to the imagination for now.

    How do you think a prime Joe Louis does in the 70- 76 era?
     
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  2. Perry

    Perry Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    He beats everyone except Ali. He gives Ali a great fight.
     
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  3. Seamus

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    He has a good chance of running the table. 70s Ali could get tagged and when Louis tagged you, you stay tagged.
     
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    How do you think Ali would do it? I would think he'd have needed his mid 60s movement.
     
  5. Perry

    Perry Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Speed, movement. It's a fallacy that Ali did not have exceptional ability to boxing and move post exile. Certainly post 1974 Ali had a much more static style with the rope adope /Mirage strategy. However Louis would be a tough opponent for any Ali. I just can't see anyone stopping Ali. I waited ten years for the hardest punchers in boxing history to ko Ali.....it never happened.
     
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  6. Mr.DagoWop

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    Actually I think he beats everyone including Ali. Ali in the 60s moved just fast enough to beat Louis. Not in the 70s though.
     
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  7. Seamus

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    One important thing we know about Louis is his championship consistency. This isn't a case of picking the best night Louis ever had versus each of these challengers but of his consistency over the haul, his ability to figure out an opponent or rise above a bad night. Louis was a genius at that.
     
  8. Hookandjab

    Hookandjab Well-Known Member Full Member

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    He beats them all including Ali.
     
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  9. Longhhorn71

    Longhhorn71 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Jimmy Young & Larry Holmes give Louis problems. Young TKO-ed late. Holmes loses on close decision.
     
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    But none of the punchers were as skilled or fast or sharp with their punches as a prime Louis. Not to mention throwing in combinations .
     
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    This may be a bit off topic, but I grew up in the Detroit area. And Joe Louis lived in Detroit during his championship reign. But he and Sugar Ray Robinson were neighbors at one point. Both lived on the east side of Detroit a few houses apart from one another.

    And Joe Louis had a sister who was a teacher and principal for the Detroit Public School system until she retired. She actually passed away back in 2008 I think. She was 93 or 95 years old, she had Alzheimer's disease. Joe Louis put her through college as she was studying to be a teacher during the time he was champion. And Eddie Futch was also from Detroit. He and Joe Louis sparred together as amateurs, but Futch was a lightweight and Louis a light heavyweight as amateurs.
     
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  12. Seamus

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    Thanks for sharing. Joe Louis is never off topic.

    Has the definitive Joe Louis bio been written? Don't we deserve this?
     
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  13. Perry

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    Speedy boxers gave Louis problems. In Ali he would be facing the quickest of the quick. Add to it that great jab, lateral movement and his toughness. Ali was tough enough to get through tough parts of the bout and still come on to win.
     
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    robert ungurean Богдан Philadelphia Full Member

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    Ali on a great in shape night might beat him. Frazier from FOTC beats him.Manilla Frazier might but thats the only 2 nights Frazier wins. Foreman is a toss up it would have to be early. Holmes 77 to 79 out boxes him
     
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  15. Unforgiven

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    Joe Louis was probably the best of all time.
    He'd have some sturdy opposition there in the 1970s and Ali would be a serious threat. Foreman at his best has a chance too, in a short brutal brawl scenario.

    I'd make Louis favourite against them all though. He was the most complete heavyweight.