Joe Louis in the 70s

I think a prime Louis would destroy Frazier.

 

If Louis and Frazier trade hooks, Louis will win.

 

Is that because they could fight the same way the smaller Billy Conn did vs Louis?

 

He had that good cameo in Quincy...

Seriously though I go with the beats all but Ali, but puts up a great fight.

 

I think the 1970s heavyweight opposition was of a much higher quality than the 1930s. Louis would be a formidable opponent for anyone, but to rule the division and win against all the top opponents, I dont believe he would. Even though I would rank Louis at number 2 in the best heavyweights of all time I think his reign in the 70s would be similar to Frazier or Foreman. He would win the title have a few defences with a big win against an ATG and then lose to another ATG. Even Ali never ruled the 70s. He lost to Frazier, Norton and Spinks. Ali also was probably lucky to get decisions over Young and Norton.

Dont pretend that Louis hit any harder than the likes of Shavers, Foreman and Frazier from the 70s. Louis had superior technique but his power does not stand out from hard punchers from other heavyweight champions. Jersey Joe Walcott said that Marciano hit harder than Louis.

Louis would probably win fights against Norton, Lyle, Quarry, Ellis, Patterson and Shavers.

A fight with Frazier at his peak in 1970-71 would be very hard to predict. It would be a tremendous fight and I feel it would be similar to Foreman vs Lyle. I think this is a 50/50 fight really. A fight with Ali would probably go to points. Ali is not getting knocked out. Its possible that if they fought 5 times Louis would score a knock down in one fight. Its possible though that Louis applies enough pressure to win on points and I think if Ali adopts his fighting off the ropes style then Louis would win. It would be hard to see a fight with Foreman being won by Louis as Foreman is the bigger and stronger fighter while Louis was vulnerable to early knockdowns. Louis would have to get out of the first 5 rounds unhurt and win on points against a tiring Foreman to win this.

The fighter who would give Louis most problems in the 70s is Larry Holmes. Louis was outboxed by Billy Conn, JJW twice and Ezzard Charles. Louis was lucky to only lose one of those fights. Holmes was a better boxer than anyone Louis ever fought. Holmes would be too elusive and I feel that Holmes has the style to win on points against Louis.

 

If Louis found it tough fighting Tommy Farr then it would have been a nightmare fighting Farr's bigger and just as tough fellow brit, Joe Bugner. Louis would have to win on the scorecards again.

 

Joe louis would have lost quite a few times.

Frazier would destroy Louis, Louis always had trouble with swarmer's and there is no better than " smoking" Joe. Frazier would have overwhelmed Louis, and was not going to get KOed by one punch.

Ali would pick apart Louis from the outside, and hold inside. I see Ali knocking Louis out within 8 rounds. To much movement.

Oddly, He would give Foreman a great fight. Foreman could be hit with rights and combinations befuddled him. Louis excels at both. I see Foreman getting knocked down and Joe was a great finisher. 50/50 fight.

Patterson vs Louis would have been an incredible battle. I actually see Patterson winning this by a hair.

Louis vs Quarry would have been the best battle of all, Quarry had heart and was a incredible athlete. HE could hang with Louis and even knock Louis out early. As the fight went on Louis would figure Quarry out and start landing vicious combinations. Very little chance this goes the distance, in the end Louis would take control and really start to punish Quarry. Great fight with lots of fireworks. Quarry would give as much as he got until the end.

Lyle would have fallen to the better boxer.

Shavers was dangerous as always , but Joe should get past him.

Norton vs Joe Louis would have been a real chessmatch for 5- 6 rounds, and Joe would be very cautious, But eventually Joe would get through with his combinations . This would end in a decision for Joe, or a late round KO.

 

Louis vs Frazier would be a war, that fight wouldn't end until sometime around the 13th round. 50/50 either way. Ali beats Joe Louis. Foreman I think is all wrong for Joe Louis Louis can't fight backing up and coming to George is a death sentence

 

Joe Louis struggled against smaller 160 pound boxers like Billy Conn so there is no way he would beat Ali (Unless he got lucky and caught Ali). Joe Louis was a flat footed 190 pound guy with a glass chin. There is no way he was beating George Foreman. I can't see Joe Louis handling Joe Frazier's pressure. Ken Norton had a shaky chin but Joe Louis was much worse. Ken Norton was bigger and stronger than Louis. I think Norton would stop Joe. Guys like Ron Lyle tend to get either underrated or overrated. He was still a 6'3 220 pound guy who could bang. At his peak only Foreman, Ali, Quarry, and Jimmy Young beat him. I don't see Lyle up until his lost to Foreman losing to Louis.

Larry Holmes would out out box Louis. Gerry Cooney would blow Joe Louis away. Shavers had a **** poor chin but again so does Louis. I would favor Shavers taking Louis out before Joe found his chin. Joe Louis is one of these guys that old timers believe was better than he was in actuality. The era Joe fought in was a joke. The guys weren't nearly as skilled as boxers from the 70's to this day. Most of Joe Louis wins were over guys who would be light heavyweights and cruiserweights by today's standards. The bigger guys like Max Baer, Buddy Baer, Abe Simon, and Primo Carnera were extremely crude by modern standards.

 

I just don't understand how people think Frazier would beat Louis or fight a long epic war with him.
Frazier would be destroyed by Louis, just as he would be by Liston, and like he was against Foreman.
Styles make fights.

 

joe loses mostly every match way outdated

 

Am I the only one that sees Louis as a outdated matchup for any great from the 70s and above? Louis' footwork was lacking and I think would be challenged by the level of Ron Lyle. He was ahead of his time but not ahead by 40 years.