Joe Louis in today's heavyweight picture

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  1. mr. magoo

    mr. magoo VIP Member Full Member

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    Quite frankly, I think Joe Louis would have a fairly good chance of being a lineal champion anytime within the last few years. He was not terribly big by today's standards, but he was around 6'2", 200 Lbs, at his very best, and did not carry around any unneeded bagage. If I were his trainer, I might be inclined to adding an extra ten pounds of muscle, but thats probably about it.

    Joe was well accustomed to beating heavyweights of great size, albeit not quite as athletic as someone like Wladimir Klitschko but still. Primo Carnera, Abe Simon, and Buddy Baer were giants among past heavyweights, and all were well rated when he destroyed them. Buddy Baer for example, was 6'7", 250Lbs, and had more first round KO's than anyone since Dempsey. Carnera was 6'6, 260 Lbs, and a former world champion. Louis also defeated some smaller guys, but ones who were fairly well skilled.

    Throughout his career, Louis defeated 6 men, who at one point and time held the heavyweight title, past, present or future. His skills as a puncher are to this day, arguabley better than that of any other slugger. He had no weak punches. His jabs, hooks, crosses and uppercuts were all extremely well polished. He could take a hell of a shot too, and regain composure once he was hurt to come back and win. Not a lot of guys were capable of that, and there are plenty in today's division who can't. Louis could beat you over 15 rounds, or he could stop you in 1. If need be, he could pound a man to submission.

    I can't say for sure how he'd do in 2008, but my guess is that he could beat just about anybody, except perhaps Klitschko, but I'd give him a fair shot at it. He certainly was a better fighter for his size.
     
  2. Addie

    Addie Myung Woo Yuh! Full Member

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    Fairly good chance? The heavyweights today are awful including that big joke called Wlad. The guy has a glass jaw and against someone as hard a hitter as Louis is coupled with his deadly accuracy, it'd be a mid fight KTFO!
     
  3. WiDDoW_MaKeR

    WiDDoW_MaKeR ESB Hall of Fame Member Full Member

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    He would fit much better into the Cruiserweight picture. The bigger sized heavyweights of his era weren't very good boxers.
     
  4. thewoo

    thewoo Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Niether are today's heavyweights. I see him beating them all
     
  5. mr. magoo

    mr. magoo VIP Member Full Member

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    Agreed, Max Schmeling, Joe Walcott and a few others were better technicians than the current bunch, even if they weren't quite as big or athletic.
     
  6. Punisher33

    Punisher33 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Louis would be unified champ, Wlad dont have the mental strength to stand up to a superior fighter like Louis, anytime Wlad has to deal with any adversity, he panics and falls to the canvas, and 9 times out of 10 it ends up resulting in him being knocked out. If guys like Sam Peter could make him go life and death, what do you think a 10 times more skilled and accurate puncher like Louis would do to him? If Louis could get on the inside, where Wlad is just a 6'7 245 pound punching bag, the fight will be one punch a way from being over, all Louis needs is 6 inches of seperation, with Wlad's glass chin, the fight ends early..
     
  7. MGUNZ48

    MGUNZ48 MGunz Full Member

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    Joe Louis would be champion today. I think the size issue that comes up allot when you talk about past champions and todays bigger guys is not as important as everyone thinks. it depends on weither the bigger man can make it an advantage. Dempsey, Marciano, and Louis, all liked the bigger guys. Plus many of todays guys to be honest are just plain fat. Not all of them but many are 20-30lbs over wgt. Not out of shape but just carrying excess fat.
     
  8. mr. magoo

    mr. magoo VIP Member Full Member

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    Very true,

    and I'm also going to ad that Evander Holyfield was 6'2", and began his career at 177 Lbs, then later wound up at just a tad over 200, yet he's commonly viewed as one of the very best heavyweights who fought over the last 20 years. David Haye is a current cruiserweight and a lot of folks here are claiming that he will have a huge presence in the heavyweight division. Chris byrd was really no bigger than Joe Louis, but he was a champion in this era. James Toney was a blown up ex-middleweight who was ranked for a while. Frankly, if these guys could all be forces in today's picture, then why can't a guy who reigned for 12 years and through 25 title defenses?
     
  9. WiDDoW_MaKeR

    WiDDoW_MaKeR ESB Hall of Fame Member Full Member

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    It is pointless discussing boxers from the past with most of you guys. They have been plated with gold, and can do no wrong. Very unreal expectations and exaggerations. Imagine today's best heavyweight, Wladimir Klitschko fighting against the "bum of the month" club. Have you actually sat back and seen most of the guys that Joe Louis was beating on? Let alone the fact that Joe Louis was pretty frail by today's standards. Today's cruiserweights enter the ring heavier than Joe Louis did during his prime. In reality, Joe Louis is about the size of your average Light Heavyeight today. They just cut all that water weight, and don't enter the ring at their natural weight like he did.

    Let alone the FACTS of the matter. Joe Louis hardly moved his feet. His head barely ever moved, and his hands were almost always held low. You combine those faults with the fact that he has been knocked out, was knocked down on plenty of occasions by small guys, and his fighting style is AWFUL for fighitng a much bigger guy like he would be facing today. Let's put another myth to rest as well.. Joe Louis' hands were NOT THAT FAST. The man did not have extremely fast hands, especially considering how small he was.
     
  10. Punisher33

    Punisher33 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    I agree with very little of your post, Louis did have very accurate and fast hands. As far as your statement about the "Bum of the month club", dont you think Purrity would make that list? Louis fought 60 years ago, with the improvements in nutrition, weight training, and sadly enough, HGH, Louis would be able to fight at 230-235, no problem, considering he was 6'1- 6'1 and half, which is pretty close to both Brewster and Peter, who are both 6'0 and half- 6'1, both of whom gave Wlad tons of trouble, and there not even close to as talented as Louis was.
     
  11. Arriba

    Arriba Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Ray Austin, A shot Lamon Brewster, Barney Rubble,Tony Thompson (potentially of course).....looks like he's on his way to starting one.
     
  12. mr. magoo

    mr. magoo VIP Member Full Member

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    I agree,

    In regards to the bum of the month thing, it would be interesting to see Wlad try and fight once per month for nearly a year strait, and see what kind of results he gets, with little time to study his next opponent, or to recover from his last fight.
     
  13. WiDDoW_MaKeR

    WiDDoW_MaKeR ESB Hall of Fame Member Full Member

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    Wlad fought about 24 times in his first two years.
     
  14. mr. magoo

    mr. magoo VIP Member Full Member

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    Uh, I think I was speaking in terms of defending a title against rated challengers...
     
  15. Punisher33

    Punisher33 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Wlad fights maybe 3 fights a year if he's lucky, in 06, from my memory, he fought Bryd in April, and Brock in November, that's only 2 fights that year. In 07 he fought Austin in Jan or Feb, Brewster in July, thats 2 that year as well, he's far from an active Heavyweight IMO. If Wlad fought 10 times a year, I would lay a thousand down, that he loses at least once, even if they are against 2nd tier Heavyweights.